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Old 11-15-2015 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by articfriends
Never heard his exact old combo except that it had giant race cams with low compression, sounds like a mess, never heard who built them, i know they didnt last long!
Supposedly crockett "detuned" them for pump gas. Basically, slapped some flat top pistons in there and sent them on their way from what the teardowns looked like.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 10:46 AM
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well at least you got 1 thing right and caught in another stretching of the truth.
You got me there !

What was the correction factor on those 500hp 502s you built that blew up?
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Old 11-15-2015 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sutphen 30
one thats normal and not some abomination that your buddies like.
but I too call bullet and get cams but I don't say I designed it.

and I've built the engines,why don't you tell us your great fantasy pick w/ magical upping the hp bar that seems to come from the 3 amigos.

maybe the next time I dyno,I'll use 10/40 oil and run the water temp close to 200°.oh and have 10-20% correction.I'll also leave out the fuel flow rate as I don't want you guys doing basic math to catch the major fudge factor.
just wondering if you care to put names on the 3 amigo,s.i,l get right to the point,are you talking about me?
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Old 11-15-2015 | 11:28 AM
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These are my 572's built in 2009 with hyd roller, 1 7/8 primary headers after over 200 hours run time in 2 different boats. We fuel injected them last year and re-dyoed them. Carbureted they made corrected 779 HP and 720 TQ. I have seen straubs sheets with over 100 HP corrected #'s. I usually only get about 20-30 HP corrections unless there is a rain cloud in the cell and we take it to Denver. I am not saying this happened with the current 572's you are talking about but 750 HP out of a 572 happened a decade ago so thats nothing to brag about. I am currently taking away HP and adding TQ to turn bigger wheels in my Nor-tech to lower the RPM's for a 100-110 MPH cruise speed.I also have a DTS dyno with a factory speced cell that maintains a water vacuum of 1", I loses a bit of HP by causing a vacuum in the cell but it is very repeatable.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 11:32 AM
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241/246 I was told 700+ hp we will find out sometime this winter I hope

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I guess i must be a fool.

Btw, full force tim, what are the cam specs in your 540s?

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Old 11-15-2015 | 11:33 AM
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I will add I had zero emgine issues since I fixed some key issues...

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and in the end,If you follow the steps and have the proper machine work,,its not rocket science.and your buddy w/ the fast tech is doing great.we're at 112mph in a 382 and never get a good day to let it rip.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 12:08 PM
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So about these 310cc heads...
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Old 11-15-2015 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by brian41
These are my 572's built in 2009 with hyd roller, 1 7/8 primary headers after over 200 hours run time in 2 different boats. We fuel injected them last year and re-dyoed them. Carbureted they made corrected 779 HP and 720 TQ. I have seen straubs sheets with over 100 HP corrected #'s. I usually only get about 20-30 HP corrections unless there is a rain cloud in the cell and we take it to Denver. I am not saying this happened with the current 572's you are talking about but 750 HP out of a 572 happened a decade ago so thats nothing to brag about. I am currently taking away HP and adding TQ to turn bigger wheels in my Nor-tech to lower the RPM's for a 100-110 MPH cruise speed.I also have a DTS dyno with a factory speced cell that maintains a water vacuum of 1", I loses a bit of HP by causing a vacuum in the cell but it is very repeatable.
That is a nice build Brian. My comments regarding kevins engines, were not to suggest straub/foxwell put together the most awesomeness 572. It simply is to show that its quite possible, they arent such hacks and out in left field on this stuff. I do agree 750hp from a 572 isnt setting any records, but it certainly isnt a slouch engine build either.
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Old 11-15-2015 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by articfriends
Right, dynoed with his tractor headers in the 730s, 740s with inserts out and low to mid 750s with the cmis, theoretically might have made bigger numbers with 2.25 dyno headers but i was told by john that never happened.
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Yep, i will give kevin this, johns dyno is known to post lower numbers than most.
Thanks for sharing that you agree my engines were run on a conservative dyno

Please don't spread misinformation about my build details or dyno numbers though. I don't come on here telling people about how you called me pissed at Bob for selling you junk pistons where the coating came off, or wasting your time and money sending your heads to mamo, etc. etc. Instead I actually called Bob (while we were on good terms still) and smoothed things over between you two.

I also haven't shared how many times you have rebuilt your 99mph Baja's engine over the years, how the pistons were contacting the heads, or how your dyno numbers were all over the place. Sorry not impressed with your engine that cruises effortless at 60mph since the hull cant handle real offshore conditions. Maybe that's impressive over on calm water scream and fly but this is Offshore Only, not short speed bursts until the hull runs out. In reality your build info is interesting at best to this site for many reasons including how easy its used and how the full truth has not been shared.

No hard feelings though bud! Your welcome for all the guidance I have given you. Glad to help you find that sweet Scarab! Looking forward to running together this summer now that you can hang a little in the big water!

When it comes to my engines. They were pulled many times on the dyno with multiple variations. The numbers I share on this site are for the tune and combo actually in the boat. No reason to waste time discussing how much more power they will make with good 1 7/8ths headers(since they made MORE power on 1 7/8th CMI, 768hp 6100 735lb/ft 4700 with flame arrestors), obviously would also on big tube headers, or with the air cleaners off, etc. Pretty sure we all can agree that there are ways to make higher numbers on the dyno.

What we found is MY tractor pipes are JUNK. The flange holes were drilled wrong increasing the already bad port alignment. They have small 1 7/8th primary tubes, wrong primary lengths, to small and to short of collectors, and muffler inserts in the tips that we ended up removing.

So with MY junk tractor pipes, my air cleaners, etc. The way the engines are currently IN the boat, we made (on a conservative DPAC Dyno)

HP
751 5900
753 6000
752 6200

TQ
731 4600
732 4900
728 5000

Impressive is Straub and Foxwell planned them to peak at 6000 which they did.

But these keyboard cowboys don't have to believe my info, pics, or badass videos Kristy and I share. They are to busy pretending to be offshore powerboaters.

I welcome all to come have a great time on the water with us! Because there's not one person who has actually run a poker run or fun run with myself, Joe, Dan, or Tim that can say a bad word about our boats, engines, or camaraderie out on the lake!

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Old 11-15-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
I haven't seen a post from horsepower1, related to advising someone of what works in drag racing, to work in offshore. I know plenty of builders who can build both.
Try and don't take my post out of context. You listed a bunch of car sites. This isn't one.



Now you're a cylinder head expert? lol Actually, why don't you tell curtis boggs or darrin morgan, to stop posting pictures of work they have done on cylinder heads....throw those flow benches away!
Man you failed basic reading. Pictures and flow numbers don't tell you anything. Just because a port looks "pretty" doesn't mean it works right. and just because it flows a ton of air doesn't mean its going to work right. No I am not a head expert, nor did I claim to be. Again, don't put words into my posts to try and prove your incorrect point.


Wow. A 509ci turning 5500 rpm....state of the art man. What was that, 600HP? Its 2015, if a guy who claims to be an expert offshore engine builder, can't keep a 600hp 509 together, he shouldn't be building any engines
. again you try and change the context of my post to suit your kool aid drinking. You do understand that the vast majority of motors being built are in the range of 6-700 HP right? Of course you missed (ignored) the fact that this one ran for 7 years at these speeds and yea, it dynoed at 637 HP on a dyno with a correction of .98, not some bogus 750 HP with a correction of 20%. But hey, I could have used their dyno. Would have made 764 HP.


You know who the guys are that are always crying about "correction factors"?? Those are the guys, who usually built engines of similar components, and didn't make the power number the other guy did. So they start talking about "correction factors" and "glory pulls".
Look up super flo. see what they say about any correction above 10%. Basic parts put together equal similar HP. when those same parts all of a sudden show up making 100HP more than anyone else has made with them, I call BS.


Here's how I see this. You and a few of your longtime buddies from the interweb, mainly boatfreaks.org, have some kind of vendetta with Chris and Foxwell. Thats your issues, and maybe warranted.
These clowns are on every forum that one can think of. SB posted a list a while back look at it. How many of the real marine engine builders do you see that have the time to post on 50 different forums. While you are looking, look for the failures. there are a ton.

As far as who's drinking what kool aid, I can assure you, it goes much further than "chicago". But, we will never see that, because those threads get deleted around here.
yea a bunch of car forums. who cares. As I said before this is Offshore Only, not Drag Race only.
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