Best Dry Muffler
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Thanks for the input. An unexpected thing about the eickert manifolds is that the collector on them is only 3.5" - so at the moment, as that's the collector outlet size, it runs 3.5" dry all the way to the tip with a 4" water jacket.
But I am thinking I'll go back to 4" ID tailpipes since that gives me more options for inserts to try (I have some 4" GGB inserts - but as above, they only moderate the crackle)
Looking at available options - does anyone have an opinion on the GIL Select Sound mufflers? Can they run dry and are they effective when dry? And Hardin are listing them - I wonder if they have stock?
But I am thinking I'll go back to 4" ID tailpipes since that gives me more options for inserts to try (I have some 4" GGB inserts - but as above, they only moderate the crackle)
Looking at available options - does anyone have an opinion on the GIL Select Sound mufflers? Can they run dry and are they effective when dry? And Hardin are listing them - I wonder if they have stock?
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HPI is currently into Harley performance parts if it's the same guys. https://www.horsepowerinc.net/
Been around for 20 or so years.
Guess maybe they ventured into marine at one time. I was unaware if so.
Pair listed on Ebay.
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Figured, i see the listing on summit and about to put an order in after your experience, cheers
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Thought you guys might be interested in how this all turned out.
The end result was a pair of Gil Mufflers on almost completely dry tailpipes (Almost completely - because as it is, I have 3mm pisser in the bottom of each pipe - so that the headers drain down and to try and avoid burning up the mufflers)
In addition, I built water dumps from the tailpipes that splash over the mufflers too. All clamp on so I didn't need to cut too many holes in the transom or deck.

All works well and it's turned the noise level in the harbours & marinas from that aggressively loud dry pipe sound to very similar to a full wet setup. Not quite quiet, but not ear bursting any more. Here's a couple of short clips at both idle & fast idle:
While I was doing it all, I also added the biggest old old school EGR valve I could find to each of the headers immediately after the collector - so that when there's negative pressure in the tailpipe at idle, it sucks through this and reduces water being reverted - that also worked well and at idle, it's sucking a good amount of air in through the EGR valve rather than quite as much water back up the exhaust. I hope this means I can add a little more water to the tailpipe tip which should quieten it down a bit more again.
The end result was a pair of Gil Mufflers on almost completely dry tailpipes (Almost completely - because as it is, I have 3mm pisser in the bottom of each pipe - so that the headers drain down and to try and avoid burning up the mufflers)
In addition, I built water dumps from the tailpipes that splash over the mufflers too. All clamp on so I didn't need to cut too many holes in the transom or deck.

All works well and it's turned the noise level in the harbours & marinas from that aggressively loud dry pipe sound to very similar to a full wet setup. Not quite quiet, but not ear bursting any more. Here's a couple of short clips at both idle & fast idle:
While I was doing it all, I also added the biggest old old school EGR valve I could find to each of the headers immediately after the collector - so that when there's negative pressure in the tailpipe at idle, it sucks through this and reduces water being reverted - that also worked well and at idle, it's sucking a good amount of air in through the EGR valve rather than quite as much water back up the exhaust. I hope this means I can add a little more water to the tailpipe tip which should quieten it down a bit more again.
Last edited by MadMat; 08-01-2023 at 11:17 AM.
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Thought you guys might be interested in how this all turned out.
The end result was a pair of Gil Mufflers on almost completely dry tailpipes (Almost completely - because as it is, I have 3mm pisser in the bottom of each pipe - so that the headers drain down and to try and avoid burning up the mufflers)
In addition, I built water dumps from the tailpipes that splash over the mufflers too. All clamp on so I didn't need to cut too many holes in the transom or deck.
All works well and it's turned the noise level in the harbours & marinas from that aggressively loud dry pipe sound to very similar to a full wet setup. Not quite quiet, but not ear bursting any more. Here's a couple of short clips at both idle & fast idle:
While I was doing it all, I also added the biggest old old school EGR valve I could find to each of the headers immediately after the collector - so that when there's negative pressure in the tailpipe at idle, it sucks through this and reduces water being reverted - that also worked well and at idle, it's sucking a good amount of air in through the EGR valve rather than quite as much water back up the exhaust. I hope this means I can add a little more water to the tailpipe tip which should quieten it down a bit more again.
The end result was a pair of Gil Mufflers on almost completely dry tailpipes (Almost completely - because as it is, I have 3mm pisser in the bottom of each pipe - so that the headers drain down and to try and avoid burning up the mufflers)
In addition, I built water dumps from the tailpipes that splash over the mufflers too. All clamp on so I didn't need to cut too many holes in the transom or deck.
All works well and it's turned the noise level in the harbours & marinas from that aggressively loud dry pipe sound to very similar to a full wet setup. Not quite quiet, but not ear bursting any more. Here's a couple of short clips at both idle & fast idle:
While I was doing it all, I also added the biggest old old school EGR valve I could find to each of the headers immediately after the collector - so that when there's negative pressure in the tailpipe at idle, it sucks through this and reduces water being reverted - that also worked well and at idle, it's sucking a good amount of air in through the EGR valve rather than quite as much water back up the exhaust. I hope this means I can add a little more water to the tailpipe tip which should quieten it down a bit more again.
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Have also got a pair of EGR pumps if needed, but at the moment I don't think they're necessary.
I did question if they would do anything at all - but at idle/fast idle, there's an appreciable amount of airflow going in through them - anything that means I can dump in more water to the exhaust without reversion is good.
The other side of the flange has a lambda sensor in it - for the time being to help me refine the map, but also give options for closed loop cruising in future perhaps.

I did question if they would do anything at all - but at idle/fast idle, there's an appreciable amount of airflow going in through them - anything that means I can dump in more water to the exhaust without reversion is good.
The other side of the flange has a lambda sensor in it - for the time being to help me refine the map, but also give options for closed loop cruising in future perhaps.

Last edited by MadMat; 08-01-2023 at 12:46 PM.




