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Steve H 08-15-2023 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by Powerquest230 (Post 4876734)
Can’t you re-use the cam from old engine that matches the heads and valve train that your moving to the new block? Would match your other engine as is…?


Myself and others have had issues with Marine Kinetics custom cams. Boat is headed to Alaska in the spring, I want off the shelf cams, and lighter springs

liquidlounge 08-17-2023 06:33 AM

Also, it would be very interesting to know what cam the newer 520 is using. Relatively short risers on a manifold from the factory. You can be sure that reversion isn't an issue with that cam.

SB 08-17-2023 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by liquidlounge (Post 4876896)
Also, it would be very interesting to know what cam the newer 520 is using. Relatively short risers on a manifold from the factory. You can be sure that reversion isn't an issue with that cam.

Good info here: :)
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...t-specs-3.html

articfriends 08-18-2023 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Steve H (Post 4876588)
One lifter decided it had enough, threw the wheel, and ruined the cam, as well as filling the engine with metal.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.

No more custom cams for me.


Originally Posted by Steve H (Post 4876589)
I think I had Morels, then had to go with Johnsons on one engine after the lifter failure because of time constraints.


Originally Posted by Steve H (Post 4876751)
Myself and others have had issues with Marine Kinetics custom cams. Boat is headed to Alaska in the spring, I want off the shelf cams, and lighter springs

Be careful with "lighter springs' on anything that has any kind of lobe much past .300 /.520 lift unless you ABSOLUTELY never turn it at wot. I just freshened 2 540s for Cass from Va that had beehive valve springs and real mild lobe crane cams and there was definately signs of lofting /losing wheel contact on back side of cam lobes and that had less then 150 hours on it and very little wot time.
Aside from the Morel lifter failure , what other issues did you have with your MK cams? If I remember correctly, I used a identical cam or real close for a customer with similar requirements (extended idling. fishing, etc) and I remember Bob telling me a guy out on west coast was running the grind he was recommending on a twin engine fishing boat. I thought at 225/230 @.050 and .570 lift it was quite mild, the engine would idle at 600 easily and last I heard from that customer he had 500/600 hours on it, also has Johnson lifters in it because the pattern of Morell lifter failures had already came to light when I built this one. Good luck ,on your new builds and keep us posted on what cams you get and the results you see.
How many total hours did you get from your old cams before they failed or whatever happened or was it just the one lifter failure, Im always curious . I also had one engine that was the last engine I used Morel lifters in back around 2014 or so had a lifter failure around 2019/2020. I had encouraged my customer to have me remove them and switch to Johnsons but he felt since they were working hed roll the dice. That whole Morel sending lifter body's to Mexico for production or speeding up machining, whatever it was, took them from one of the best Hydraulic rollers to being a pariah in the marine industry, Smitty

Steve H 02-22-2024 01:08 PM

Hello everyone!

I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.

Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.

This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!

“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM

Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.



Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!



Thanks



Steve
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...27dd6f8e4e.jpg

rv 02-22-2024 01:41 PM

Since you purchased cam from Teague, why not ask him instead of reinventing the wheel on here. Bob has been doing this along time, problem can rattle off part numbers off the top of his head.

hogie roll 02-22-2024 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Steve H (Post 4876588)
One lifter decided it had enough, threw the wheel, and ruined the cam, as well as filling the engine with metal.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.

No more custom cams for me.

Marine Kinetics, forgot the ol boys name, that’s his MO. Lobes too aggressive. Never tested anything. He got ran off a long time ago.

NautiSouth 02-29-2024 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Steve H (Post 4891474)
Hello everyone!

I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.

Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.

This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!

“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM

Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.



Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!

If you'd like a ballpark idea of what the spring requirements are, use the calculator halfway down this page:

Valvetrain Engineering Services - Allmond Marine

Steve H 07-18-2024 12:37 PM

Boat is back in the water and running great. Time to change out break in oil to Mobile One. I used Mobile One 10/40 last time around. I'm leaning towards 10/30 this time because I'm running
new GM shortblocks (ZZ502), and most likely have tighter clearances. Oil temp at the pan will hover around 220+ at fast cruise, pressure is 40 psi at hot idle, and around 75 psi underway.

For break in I used Lucas 30wt, which seemed fine. Oil temp and pressure was normal on both engines.

Would the 10/30 oil be best, or stick with the 10/40?

I appreciate all of you!

Steve


NautiSouth 07-18-2024 03:38 PM

I find this chart to be particularly helpful:

https://drivenracingoil.com/c-138953...viscosity.html


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