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Is it true are the superboats not going to be ion the key west race in nov

thks Joe

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Go to www.superboat.com. Yes they have a class of boats called Superboats. How many Superboats will race in KW may be another issue.

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The race in Key West is open to all and any boats that run the 2 races needed to be at the Worlds.That is a question that only the teams can answer. But I think you will see most of them there I don't see any reason why not. Sarasota will be a good judge for the Worlds,I know alot of first time teams will be there as their first race toward the Worlds.

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Didn't get answer I was lookin for in that forum, not trying to cause problems, just trying to make arangements to go again this year and do want to see superboats again.Need to bring all bodies togetherand have a great turnout as last year
thks again Joe

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Ohhhhh! I'm going to Key West anyway!! :drink:

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:drink: :drink: :drink:

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I already have reservations :evilb: :D :drink: :drink:

Now how do I get VIP passes that include a golf cart to get out to the outer thing a ma jig?? :D

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Joe,
If I might help you with your question. If you are referring to the big canopy boats or the big Super Cats and Cat Lights or the big Super Vee's, then these boats will not be racing in Key West for 2005. See www.OffshoreSuperSeries.com for a list of the boats that race on the OSS circuit, and this might help with your question.
Unlike in 2004, there will not be a "Unified" World Championship in Key West. Only APBA/SBI boats will be racing there.

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Based upon the above it is intuitively obvious that the OSS does not give a crap about a fan base /general public growth in this great sport and is completely selfserving. :mad:

To:
-Not join the rest of the racing groups at the Worlds

-To schedule the OSS race on the same dates at a not too distant venue

-This OSS attitude/actionis an insult to ALL fans/potential fans, as well as ALL drivers, crews and families (adults and children) related to ALL classes associated with OFFSHORE racing.
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I am a retired grumpy old tart with a lot of pride and some photographic skills that I share freely with all powerboat racing people no matter what class (from J-Hydro, SLTs, OPCs. Unlimited Hydros, Drags, as well as all OFFSHORE).

It was recently suggested by a professional news journalist related to Offshore that I share my talents (little) with OSS as well as APBA/SBI. I was about to do that till I heard about the current OSS attitude and intended actions.

I'm only one person (fan) of this great sport and have now cancelled all hotel reservations associated with OSS racing activity.

No thanks for screwing the public :mad:

marc bivona

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Quote: or the big Super Vee's, then these boats will not be racing in Key West for 2005.

....Funny, We were just talking to a lot of SV teams that are going to race in Key West for the Worlds, looks like about 14 Super V's...maybe I missed the memo we were all racing elsewere....

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I agree with you marc, I have been a fan since 1994 and haven't missed a single KW race since (nor many others coast to coast).
I thought only Allweiss could schedule conflicting races!
Isn't that the reason why OSS came to be in the first place?
Now OSS has replaced him, but with the same attitude!
I am going back to car racing. :p

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Dry Sump come to the Sarasota race I think you will see a lot of the OSS boats at this event. DF Young races most of the SBI races and Bacardi has already made there two starts for the Worlds.

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Fact :
OSS had KW on thier schedule.
They were asked by SBI to remove the date from thier schedule.
Since plans were in place for those dates, they'll be going elsewhere the same week.

If you want OSS in KW, just ask SBI to invite them.

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Why the same week????

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Another short sighted, condescending post by an OSS Board Member. The open cockpit racers of today are the canopied racers of tomorrow - Randy, Glenn, Gino, Todd, Matt, George, Mike, Jeff, Joey, Bob, Ray, Todd, Rick, George, Wil, Allen, and other listed on the OSS site started in (and a few still race) open cockpit boats.

Every time OSS gets on a little roll, a Board Member or OSS cheerleader makes a stupid statement that fans the flames of the group that dislikes you. Maybe you guys need a public relations person on your board........ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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If fanning the flames of a group that dislikes you is achieved merely by stating the facts .....then I guess he is guilty.

I for one was happy to hear something factual and to the point in this section apart from all the conjecture and hearsay

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For the record, SBI/APBA/WPR/UIM/John Carbonell asked, OSS to remove any related information to Key West, as the OSS organization was not invited. Best of luck to all, where ever you race.

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Ron,
I wonder why SBI asked OSS to get lost??? :confused:

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Ben,
For the record OSS never had a contact with SBI and took it upon themselves to post the Worlds on their schedule.Why would they do something like that when they know they didnt have a contact. I'm sure the fans are pissed about that.

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I must be having a "Senior Moment"..

Why would SBI dis-invite OSS??

Is the main motivator attracting fans to the the sport.....or....

that horrible old word "Ego"

I know the fans/potential racers will suffer..BUT... what will SBI or anyong GAIN by this assinine action no matter who the perpetrator was/is???

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Marc,
You need to know all the facts before you will really ever know what happen. If you or anyone for that matter would like some details feel free to call me anytime...
321 693-0023

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Frank,
OSS listed Key West for 2005 on the web site, because in 2004 when the race was put together, OSS was requested to come to Key West in 2005 also. This was directed to OSS by the Key West Tourism Group, of the Couch Republic Offshore Racing Association. OSS wanted a joint race and a second "2005 United Worlds", which was for the "Fans" and the “Racers”, which is also what everybody seemed to want, except SBI/John.

Sorry... But, we did try. Again, best of luck in Key West.

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At this stage I don't think I want to know the entire story. I've seen it happen in the Unlimited Hydro battle with Hydro-Prop and within just about every class of egg beaters.

I apologize for even asking and should have known better.

I will now return to my little camera and photo all that I can see where ever I am.

I have no favorites among classes and have the deepest respect for all drivers, crews, families and sponors.

Fot those that have not been to Sarasota here is my photo album link including arrival-pits, parade, entertainment (including swimming pool) and Marina Follies even some race boats.

http://community.webshots.com/user/gdfatha

Be safe..see ya in Sarasota

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It appears Ben answered your question as well.

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Mark,
You really have "NO IDEA" what you are talking about, but keep digging that hole, as you're bound to findout more information than you'll care to know...

PS: Where is that Mark Mathews "Poll" I heard about? I didn't get a chance to vote... :rolleyes:

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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! OSS did not, has not, nor ever will try and back door anybody's event.

Dry Sump, Don't believe everything you hear... OSS did want to race under a TRUE Unification, not as a stand alone, but it is what it is now... And I say again, Do Not Believe Everything You Hear. I hope you don't. Get the facts and the facts are not going to be posted on OSO, atleast not by me.

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Atleast "my name" has been on a Raceboat, many Raceboats as a matter of fact, has yours?

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Remember last year, the Conch Republic..... was brought in to make sure KW put on a huge race since the prior few years had been disappointing? Well it worked, everyone raced together, and wasn't it grand!!!

At the 2004 Award, the same Pres of the Conch Republic Bill Spotswood closed the awards by saying following statement. “I can’t tell ya how great it was to see the enthusiasm and co-operation between all three groups during this past week. It was an amazing week of competition and camaraderie. We learned this week that to be a true World Champion, you have to race against the best, in order to be the best. Thanks for coming and racing in Key West, we hope you come back next year to do it again”.

(I know because I was there and my tape recorder was running)

So what happened between then and now? SBI would like to see everyone race together in Key West as long as they are registered SBI teams. SBI doesn't want OSS officials or management in KW. Feathers got ruffled last year so rather than work through the issues to make this year better, SBI is asking OSS to go somewhere else.

Why the same week? Because that's the week that's been on their schedule. They are just changing locations.

Yes this sucks. I hope someone calls the KW hotel association or Tourist Development council of KW and let them know only half the show will be in KW this year.

And it could have been so good.......... :(

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Oh........would everyone just stop all of this BS'n and lets bring Everyone to Key West for the Races!!

Already Booked a Condo!! :drink:

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Ron,
Of all people I would think you would know better then to post something like that. Have you called SBI and gotten the facts of why, or is it just easier to tell your version. I wouldn't be so sure u will only see half the boats in KW this year, they might not be talking about it publicly but you will see more OSS boat then you think in KW. Why do you think they are making sure they race their 2 races?????
SBI hasn't even spoke to OSS about the race in over 6 months,but I'm sure you knew that you seem to have a handle on whats happening???
Do you know the term that OSS want to race in KW again and do you think that could be part of the reason SBI hasn't agreed, but again you must know about that also????
I just wish you would do your home work get all the facts and then post the truth instead of what you think the truth to be. Its so simply all it would take is a few phone calls, but then again maybe not because the truth doesn't always make for good print.

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Orange Beach, Do we have a winner????

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Here we go again with all the blah blah blah horse puckey! :cool:

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Frank, I respect your opinion and I also respect John's choice to make a business decision that he feels is in the best interest of his company. As a fan of the sport, I don't like the outcome of those discions, but I have to live with them like everyone else.

Yes, I've spoken to many people about this and I'm sure I don't have the COMPLETE story but I stopped digging a while back when I wrote the column. I heard enough and didn't like what I was hearing. Is either side perfect? Of course not. Someone still owes JC a big appology from last year, but lets not go there.

I don't believe I said anything untrue in this thread.

Key West is a race for the fans and racers. It's a brutal event on everyone, three races in one week with 100 boats is a monumental task, no one in thier right mind would enjoy putting that race on each year. But bringing everyone together in Key West at the end of each year is exactly what's needed if we ever hope to get this sport on the right track again.

To put this together, everyone must be willing to compromise. In order for a compromise to work both parties must walk away from the table unsatisfied with the outcome, yet the deal got done.

I don't know if its too late or not but, what will it take to git er done? And bring everyone to KeyWest? Frank, you seem to think many OSS teams will show up in Key West no matter what. It would be great if they all dropped the OSS flag and went to Key West but I doubt that will happen. Time will tell. I just hope the guys that are in charge of this ship know which way they are going, cause we are all going along for the ride.

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MM, you know I luv ya' like a bro, but that seems a little harsh.
Nasty Habit is good peeps, he can even take a joke or two...

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Uh oh, I hope the author doesn't get pissed! :D

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This is the same story, all racers would like to have a unified event, It is not attitude that prevents this from happening, if it is it is not the racers attitudes from either side. We all have selected were we want to race....like democrats and republicans we will not sway each other, however it would have been nice do a have true year end throw down, but it should not involve additional registration fees and races to quallify for a year end event, anyone spending the time effort and money to race several races and there organization coming together for the fans and racers should be the goal of everyone involved in the sport. GDFather why are the OSS racers the bad guys.......how many sbi racers would be willing to join OSS just to be able to run in a race....not many and vice versus, sure there are a few crossover teams, If you want to voice an opinion call The counch republic they could have forced the issue as Ron P stated for everyone to get something and still make this happen......if they are happy with half as many boats then I am sure some city will be happy to have the other half. Just my opinion.........please kill this thread!

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John,
Hit on the head,enough,let people race where they want.Everybody is happy racing where they are,so let the chips fall where they may.

Wil

PS:Kill the thread

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John and Wil,
Are correct. And I have said; Good luck racing, where ever you choose...

Ben

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Yeah, who needs the fans anyway! :rolleyes:

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No need to delete this thread - let the informed confirm what they already know......and let the newbies see through the "smoke and mirrors".