Sean

Some ideas for you

Go get yourself a prop shaft dyno. let them run what ever they want...500 hp at the prop max. 5800 rpm. Tech DONE.

Do a spec prop like we did in P1, I tested every prop from Frank and Jimmies after we had them done, they were within .25 mph of each other.

Do the data logger for parity. weight down the boats to keep everything equal.

And somebody will always cheat, when you find it or even suspect it...Kick them so far out it hurts.

After the Andy debacle in P1, I hope boat racing has learned some lessons.

And if you need a chief referee I'm in

Mike Sadlon

Love the prop shaft Dyno. We tried one when a friend was at Wyo Tech in FL. Super easy. In Super Bike racing the top three go directly to the Dyno.

Isnt that the one that when I drive by there is sitting behind the building, blown up from when your motor was on it?

I decided to leave that part out. Thanks.

Lol

The prop dyno was being looked at by OPA at one point and I believe one of the problems was that it couldn't be used with shorty lowers ( not enough clearance) . With that being said you could always have a standard lower put on for the dyno pull. The other issues was transporting it, water supply and liability if you smoked a motor on it. Figure that out and I am all for it in any org. Add a data logger in each boat and that takes care of most of your tec. IMO

When we ran her on the prop shaft Dyno we had a Imco-2 on her

That takes care of that issue.

Why don't you just have everyone sign a letter that state,s:ernaehrung004:,
I WILL NOT CHEAT !. there ya go.

Its been tried 10 yrs ago we dont want to go there again doesnt work very well, actually where is one out there with a water tank and 2 trailers that u can buy cheap.
Just get good tech and u dont need it. Its a big expenses for the org. that they really dont need.
Someone also mentioned something about adding weight for parity that doesnt work either bad idea. The right way is to reduce rpm by simple chaging the chip in the MSD and monitoring the data logger.

Strain gauge on input shaft with data logger is full time dyno.
Steve

Who is WE, certainly not the 60-80 men and women who gave up on factory class racing because they couldn't get parity on engine output.

And how cheap are a couple of good tech guys.

So why do I spend an ungodly amount of time making sure any boat I race runs at the minimum weight? Just because weight hasn't been used effectively doesn't mean it work.

And how many RPM output limiting boards do you what? People have been using them for 25 years now. Real easy to hide in that tach wire to the data logger.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the but, But

A rules package with 50 year old motor and 35 year old ignition and 125 year old fuel management just doesn't seem to be very innovative to me.

On of the best things we could do, is spur new technology in to marine racing engines.

Let people run what ever engine package they want, even the Marine 7 outboard could be used!

500 hp-500 ft lbs. max. across the rpm range.

I doubt you are going to get many boat manufacturer running to an old class.

But you might get some engine builders willing to push new technology, and there is no better place to test new technology than racing!

Carry on.

Mike

Mike,

Not sure how much experience you have with the Race Pak G2X but its give you true rpm, and plots the track the entire race .

Maybe you can explain how you use weight effective to slow a boat down in a ocean race with4 to 5 footers Most racers including myself add weight and extra fuel to the boat , and prop choice is for the contions u r racing. In those condition a 90 mph boat becomes a 80 mph boat so weight is no disadvantage, and you set the boat up for 80.

I have one, but its not factory stock power anymore

Maybe im an idiot, but may want to add a top speed stipulation on it also, as I believe the F2 boats did prety close to the same speed of each other out of the factory, now HP and engine builds issues are nullified

If you go with an engine build route..........If it is deemed that you are not cheating and if all is to spec, then the boat owner should not have to pay to get their crap put back together, they should be compensated for that reassembly, perhaps by the whiners that are trying to call them out......now if they are found to be cheating then the cheater should be fined and forced to pay any of their old winnings back which would be dispersed equally to the others in the class ...... thats my opinion

If you put a max speed then you're basically running P class racing and there are numerous classes for that already that all of these boats would fit into.

IF cheating seems to be the major problem in getting these classes back together .

how many ,...I mean what percentage of racers actually do cheat ? any guess ?

Yes I know it only takes one .but really how many say out of a 12 boat field .

In a perfect world if no one push the envelope in any motor sport you wouldn't need inspectors no different than NASCAR. It's the organization's job to supply the proper technical support team to oversee it.

In a spirit of the rules sense, 9

In true violation, 2

Just my observation over 30 years.

Okay

You kind of answered your own question about weight. If the class target is 80, and you added weight and you ran 90 before and only 80 now. Next event, as an official, I want you to weigh what you did to run 80. In my rules package everyone doesn't necessarily run the same weight. Some boats may have to weigh more to create parity.

We run Race Pac 1 on the P1 boats, and the 2 on the H1 Unlimiteds. We use about 50% of it's capabilities.

If there is a pulse signal, it can be modified. It's why in H1 your turn your wiring harness in at the end of the race, and they give it back to you at the next race.

If you are reading out of the computer on an engine, different story. But that's not what we where talking.

And when your slip goes down to 2%...we are going to have a talk.

Good conversations going on.......

You might not remember but in the old day when they added weight to Spiderman they got faster and faster. Another issue that u might not remember is what happen to Motley Crew when they had to add to much weight. Thank god they were ok but that was dangerous and very costly for a misstake a offical made trying to do something that doesnt work.

Today there are simpler and more efficient ways to create parity. Times change and I no old habits are hard to break but time does March on.

So what ur saying is 6 or 7 boats in a class they are all going to race at different weights....REALLY.

After your last post the statement about the weight in ur rule package sounds like you have it all figured out so good luck I'll just bow out you have it handled.

Quitter

Lol

I think Sean was hoping for more like 15-20 boats.

And now if we could get John to do that, offshore just might have a chance.

John who? Lol

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Pipedream.

Spider-Man didn't keep getting faster. Lol. It was just way faster than the fountains due to the bottom design. Also had one of the best throttle guys in the buisness. Boat was 250 lbs heavier than all the other boats and Reggie still cried to Carbonell every day.

I hope this comes to fruition soon.