P5 rules
11-19-2007 | 04:11 PM
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Limiting the Horsepower would help lower the cost and help make this class as into what it was intended to be when it was first introduced (before they removed it from the rule book) entry level. Question is what is the best way to check HP with out going all spec, and or pissing off people in the pits?
Timed acceleration, from 50-65 like someone suggested?
Having the engines “Looked at” has been suggested?
I don’t know the answer..
Timed acceleration, from 50-65 like someone suggested?
Having the engines “Looked at” has been suggested?
I don’t know the answer..
11-19-2007 | 04:23 PM
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Class 6 evolved because the 26 corsas the sunsations and smaller boats were not able to compete with the 650 hp+ Panteras and F1 boats in 5 class.
I thought a 24ft boat won class 5 the year before Class 6 Was created?
All the classes are entry level depending on your wallet. If you think that class 6 should be all beginners thats not gonna happen.
You need to make things affordable, a place were the local knucklehead can feel comfortable racing his stock Baja, Sonic or what ever. Getting new racers out there is great steps in helping the sport grow.
As for the higher horsepower in Class 6 and 5 it should be adressed and capped. I have a 500 efi F1 boat that frustrates me cause I can't accelerate like some others what to do? Whipple it?
I Agree with you 100%, But the question or problem is how to limit H.P. without adding cost.
I ran the undertow corsa my first 2 years and was pretty happy in the back most of the time until all that Big power started to break thus bringing in some 1st, 2nd and 3rds
But I do agree it should be closer.
Under tow IMHO is a true class 6 boat, Small in size and small in horsepower.
I thought a 24ft boat won class 5 the year before Class 6 Was created?
All the classes are entry level depending on your wallet. If you think that class 6 should be all beginners thats not gonna happen.
You need to make things affordable, a place were the local knucklehead can feel comfortable racing his stock Baja, Sonic or what ever. Getting new racers out there is great steps in helping the sport grow.
As for the higher horsepower in Class 6 and 5 it should be adressed and capped. I have a 500 efi F1 boat that frustrates me cause I can't accelerate like some others what to do? Whipple it?
I Agree with you 100%, But the question or problem is how to limit H.P. without adding cost.
I ran the undertow corsa my first 2 years and was pretty happy in the back most of the time until all that Big power started to break thus bringing in some 1st, 2nd and 3rds
But I do agree it should be closer.
Under tow IMHO is a true class 6 boat, Small in size and small in horsepower.
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11-19-2007 | 04:34 PM
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I really just want to know what engine to put in the boat if I am going to race it.
The continues to be a theme of high HP engines running in the lower classes. We can afford a big torquey engine, but holding true to my beliefs I did not want to go that route. But after reading Tyler's posts, maybe I should just get over my isses. You know "when in Rome".
Thus I know that I want to run class 5 (I think the speed limit is now 75?). From an honest assesment, I know that I can run this with the 383, but I will be at a disadvantage from an acceleration standpoint that others with much more powerful engines will have. So should I stick to the 383 (and stay true to my beliefs), or should I buy a fresh SB2.2 motor from a Cup team drop it in, test it and prop for 75 mph (and have a boat engine package that could not be out accelerated under any terms by any boat in P5, or P4 for that matter).
Sorry if the last post was confusing.
11-19-2007 | 04:41 PM
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Yep 24' Dukes big power short boat big Balz they deserved that p5 win. What do we consider affordable because the two racing and affordable don't mix.And I don't see where smitty can make the fees any cheaper. A prop cost more than the yearly fee.If I knew they were gonna introduce 6 class I would not have bought the fountain and kept the corsa but I alredy made the purchase.
11-19-2007 | 05:05 PM
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Rick,
I'm with you 100%. Smitty is booting the sandbaggers into a higher class. You just have to have faith in that. Like Eddie said, the rules need small tweeking in OPA. No big deal.
Now POPRA is a whole different story. Not that they're not trying, but this average lap speed stuff is pure crap. Our first outing was against a known 93 MPH 800+ boat running P5. What a joke yet the powers to be thought this was OK. I have no idea what the Raylar motor is running (when it runs) but it has put up some kilo numbers that would make me think its well over 600HP. Since your going to run POPRA, I suggest you get on the phone and hammer all this out before the first race. Aren't you the Northern Rep for POPRA? Its been so long since we had the members vote, I'm not sure who is who.
In 08 we're going to run SBI in F1. I think we can get 5 boats back and a couple more once they see F1 is off life support.
If you can't sell it, race it.
Jim
I'm with you 100%. Smitty is booting the sandbaggers into a higher class. You just have to have faith in that. Like Eddie said, the rules need small tweeking in OPA. No big deal.
Now POPRA is a whole different story. Not that they're not trying, but this average lap speed stuff is pure crap. Our first outing was against a known 93 MPH 800+ boat running P5. What a joke yet the powers to be thought this was OK. I have no idea what the Raylar motor is running (when it runs) but it has put up some kilo numbers that would make me think its well over 600HP. Since your going to run POPRA, I suggest you get on the phone and hammer all this out before the first race. Aren't you the Northern Rep for POPRA? Its been so long since we had the members vote, I'm not sure who is who.
In 08 we're going to run SBI in F1. I think we can get 5 boats back and a couple more once they see F1 is off life support.
If you can't sell it, race it.
Jim
11-19-2007 | 05:16 PM
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Yep 24' Dukes big power short boat big Balz they deserved that p5 win. What do we consider affordable because the two racing and affordable don't mix.
What cost more to run, an 425H.P. Merc or a 650/700H.P. Custom built Motor? Granted racing is not cheap, but some forms of boat racing are cheaper than others.
And I don't see where smitty can make the fees any cheaper. A prop cost more than the yearly fee.
I Agree 100%, Smitty is doing a great job.
If I knew they were gonna introduce 6 class I would not have bought the fountain and kept the corsa but I alredy made the purchase.
It was cheaper to buy and build my class 3 Cat than try and buy or build a competitive class 6 Boat (witch my wife wanted) So in my case Class 3 Was cheaper than Class 6 
What cost more to run, an 425H.P. Merc or a 650/700H.P. Custom built Motor? Granted racing is not cheap, but some forms of boat racing are cheaper than others.
And I don't see where smitty can make the fees any cheaper. A prop cost more than the yearly fee.
I Agree 100%, Smitty is doing a great job.
If I knew they were gonna introduce 6 class I would not have bought the fountain and kept the corsa but I alredy made the purchase.
It was cheaper to buy and build my class 3 Cat than try and buy or build a competitive class 6 Boat (witch my wife wanted
) So in my case Class 3 Was cheaper than Class 6 ..
11-19-2007 | 05:34 PM
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I've thought about this post alot,being from the f-1 school. Some of us should look at putting some form of that back together,like the pro tour cat guys did,but on the other hand there is great class that OPA has put together and just needs a little fine tuning.Don't know what the answer is but I know I have not heard it yet??? Everyone needs to man up!!!
11-19-2007 | 05:36 PM
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So what happens then if I get a 900HP engine, do you all
have to step up to my level? Where is the practical limit.
I don't mind building a 650 HP motor, but what happens
when someone builds 800?
As far as class 6 being entry level, entry level to me means
least expensive. 26' or less boat, single engine, appropriate
top speed. You can't have a class only for new guys. There
are not enough of them to support the class.
Rich
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have to step up to my level? Where is the practical limit.
I don't mind building a 650 HP motor, but what happens
when someone builds 800?
As far as class 6 being entry level, entry level to me means
least expensive. 26' or less boat, single engine, appropriate
top speed. You can't have a class only for new guys. There
are not enough of them to support the class.
Rich
Undertow 611
11-19-2007 | 05:45 PM
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