P5 rules
11-19-2007 | 05:55 PM
#71
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From: LBI,NJ
Yes you can run 900 HP but you will break your drive every time. There is a fine line for power and finishing the race too. I agree 26' and least exspensive I don't have much more money in my motor than you do I just did all the machine work and built it myself. Would you like to buy either one I will sell them both. I know what you are saying you need to spend money to keep up but what about us guy's with the smaller boats we do not want to run against 30' boats either and I do not want to build a lower HP motor to run in the same class I will stay home and watch my grass grow. 
11-19-2007 | 06:00 PM
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From: Ruby, Mi
Tyler,
Please do not take anything written here as personal. We have never met and I have heard nothing but good things about you.
So if class 6 is for boats under 26' foot with 600+ hp, where I am suppose to run?
It was not that long ago that the bat boat would run against F1 boats (500-525hp) competitively. Now I am being told that Class 6 is a 600hp class with almost the same boat as the F1 although no weight rule. Thus an F1 boat is at a disadvantage in class 6? This is getting too complex.
Thus let me ask a different question (a personal one). It was my intention to replace the shot engine in my boat with the 383 Stoker that Mercruiser is putting out (350 at the flywheel, just like the 377 offered). Is that a bad choice if I am going to run class 5?
Should I get a pumped up SBC? I know of a host of dry sumped late model race engines that would (detuned) give me 500+. Or shoudl I just go to a SB2.2 at 9 to 1 pulling 750+ (you know one built by Childress and/or Hendricks)?
I am still confused how a single engine boat with 600+ hp should not be running P4 though. If an F1 can run 80+ with a 525, how does one with 600+ justify running anything lower than P4.
Please help me understand.
Please do not take anything written here as personal. We have never met and I have heard nothing but good things about you.
So if class 6 is for boats under 26' foot with 600+ hp, where I am suppose to run?
It was not that long ago that the bat boat would run against F1 boats (500-525hp) competitively. Now I am being told that Class 6 is a 600hp class with almost the same boat as the F1 although no weight rule. Thus an F1 boat is at a disadvantage in class 6? This is getting too complex.
Thus let me ask a different question (a personal one). It was my intention to replace the shot engine in my boat with the 383 Stoker that Mercruiser is putting out (350 at the flywheel, just like the 377 offered). Is that a bad choice if I am going to run class 5?
Should I get a pumped up SBC? I know of a host of dry sumped late model race engines that would (detuned) give me 500+. Or shoudl I just go to a SB2.2 at 9 to 1 pulling 750+ (you know one built by Childress and/or Hendricks)?
I am still confused how a single engine boat with 600+ hp should not be running P4 though. If an F1 can run 80+ with a 525, how does one with 600+ justify running anything lower than P4.
Please help me understand.
11-19-2007 | 06:12 PM
#73
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From: Columbus,MI
Tyler,
Please do not take anything written here as personal. We have never met and I have heard nothing but good things about you.
So if class 6 is for boats under 26' foot with 600+ hp, where I am suppose to run?
It was not that long ago that the bat boat would run against F1 boats (500-525hp) competitively. Now I am being told that Class 6 is a 600hp class with almost the same boat as the F1 although no weight rule. Thus an F1 boat is at a disadvantage in class 6? This is getting too complex.
Thus let me ask a different question (a personal one). It was my intention to replace the shot engine in my boat with the 383 Stoker that Mercruiser is putting out (350 at the flywheel, just like the 377 offered). Is that a bad choice if I am going to run class 5?
Should I get a pumped up SBC? I know of a host of dry sumped late model race engines that would (detuned) give me 500+. Or shoudl I just go to a SB2.2 at 9 to 1 pulling 750+ (you know one built by Childress and/or Hendricks)?
I am still confused how a single engine boat with 600+ hp should not be running P4 though. If an F1 can run 80+ with a 525, how does one with 600+ justify running anything lower than P4.
Please help me understand.
Please do not take anything written here as personal. We have never met and I have heard nothing but good things about you.
So if class 6 is for boats under 26' foot with 600+ hp, where I am suppose to run?
It was not that long ago that the bat boat would run against F1 boats (500-525hp) competitively. Now I am being told that Class 6 is a 600hp class with almost the same boat as the F1 although no weight rule. Thus an F1 boat is at a disadvantage in class 6? This is getting too complex.
Thus let me ask a different question (a personal one). It was my intention to replace the shot engine in my boat with the 383 Stoker that Mercruiser is putting out (350 at the flywheel, just like the 377 offered). Is that a bad choice if I am going to run class 5?
Should I get a pumped up SBC? I know of a host of dry sumped late model race engines that would (detuned) give me 500+. Or shoudl I just go to a SB2.2 at 9 to 1 pulling 750+ (you know one built by Childress and/or Hendricks)?
I am still confused how a single engine boat with 600+ hp should not be running P4 though. If an F1 can run 80+ with a 525, how does one with 600+ justify running anything lower than P4.
Please help me understand.
Rick,
Having run my Bat Boat with a 377 in OPA Class 5 I would say if you want a chance to win at every OPA race, you will need more power. Put a blower on it.
11-19-2007 | 06:16 PM
#74
Michigan Mad Man
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From: Ruby, Mi
I've thought about this post alot,being from the f-1 school. Some of us should look at putting some form of that back together,like the pro tour cat guys did,but on the other hand there is great class that OPA has put together and just needs a little fine tuning.Don't know what the answer is but I know I have not heard it yet??? Everyone needs to man up!!!
11-19-2007 | 06:29 PM
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From: Ruby, Mi
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11-19-2007 | 06:31 PM
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From: Franconia, PA
Everybody complains about the big power in the smaller classes that's what it takes for acceration to win. OK limit the power to 500 HP and I will build a motor that out accerates your 500 HP and that will be the next complaint. If you want all the boats to run the same everybody will win nobody will lose.
Now you are contradicting yourself. You first say that we need
big power to get the acceleration to win. Then you say if we
limit power to 500, you will build a 500 that will out accelerate
everyone else. Why not then limit the power to around 500HP
and the guys that can do their homework will still have an
advantage, but not as big a one?
By the way, this is in no way a attack on you and your
championship. You have done your homework and followed
the rules. I just see this thing escalating. No one wants to
repower their boat everytime someone shows up with a bigger
bullet.
Rich
Undertow 611
