Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3264734)

Dont know what Im smokin either, but I like it!
I thought it ran low 100s, being it ran SV. I thought most of the SVs were running anywhere from 105 - 112.

Originally Posted by Wazzup Racing (Post 3264707)

Yes it has. 95 south, Them Fords fly

Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing (Post 3264699)

Rick, Class5, a little self serving huh?:drink:

Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....

My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.

As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.

Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.

Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.

Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.

Originally Posted by extras (Post 3264779)

Sounds like you are afraid to race on the edge

Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 3264857)

In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
MD

Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing (Post 3264699)

Rick, Class5, a little self serving huh?:drink:

Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....

My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.

As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.

Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.

Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.

Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.

Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 3264857)

In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
MD

Originally Posted by purnell (Post 3264904)

ive proven i am man enough

Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 3264857)

I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. MD

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3264655)

I dont have the right to speak about what happens out side of class five, but, my two cents are this. Have two class 4s, one for twins with a 39 foot cap. The other for singles. Both 4s would be 80 mph. Bring 2 back as 100, because Bull may be a cat, but its a 32 foot boat...105 is haulin. 3 come back as 90. Itd take a lot to make that apache run 95, and it be haulin. 5,6 and 1 are great. But then again....some rough water would even all this out...

Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3264989)

What about leaving the classes essentially the same,require canopies in Class 1, bring back Class 2 , and add a 38FT length limit for Class 4.I think the step down effect is hurting Class 3 and Class 4.Merge some spec classes into bracket classes unless there are five boats.
EXTREME CAT
SUPER CAT
CLASS 1 TO 115MPH CANOPIED...merge SCL
CLASS 2 TO 105MPH...merge SV
CLASS 3 TO 95MPH
CLASS 4 TO 85MPH/38FT...merge SVL
CLASS 5 TO 75MPH/30FT SINGLE INBOARD (TWIN OUTBOARD,TWIN SMALL BLOCK INBOARD GRANDFATHERED)
CLASS 6 TO 70MPH/26FT SINGLE INBOARD

Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing (Post 3264568)

Could you please fill me in on our issues? Besides some personal differences(off the race course) between some of the racers, I was very pleased with how Class 4 was handled and operated by OPA in 2010.

Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF (Post 3264557)

First off, it will not be allowed to run 4. Ask OPA why. Its not fair to legit class 4 boats. Chiro 1 should bump up to 3 as well.

secondly, even if it was allowed, it would kill the class. open boats cannot compete with canopied boats of the equal size and power. Thats like a SVL running class 5. Aint gonna happen.

If we bring back class 2, there should be no problem.

Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing (Post 3264900)

Mark,


Pot Kettle Black.

Simmons was the big dog in our class for years(way before you came on the scene), I came out with a boat that would be competitive with him, nothing more nothing less. His boat is a former F2 boat as is the boat we campaign. I have no intention of having the powers that be create a class for me. You have a spec class that your boat easily fits into, unfortunately, I dont have that luxury and I brought a boat to race in a class that was originally built around a 38' with twin 750's in it.

Best of luck to you in your racing career

Originally Posted by DrGaryDC (Post 3265171)

So help me understand why Chiro One needs to be bumped to class 3. The best that boat has seen all year was 86mph and based on your input it needs to go to a 95mph class. We did well in the small chop of patchogue and got destroyed in the flat water in St. Claire. Seems pretty evenly balanced. Your real Brilliant!!

Originally Posted by extras (Post 3265250)

what class do you plan to run next year

Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 3265150)

The key to it is to allow Smitty to keep putting boats in the right classes. He has done a pretty good job so far. We don't need SVs running C4, rediculous HP in a class, or unfair hull match ups.

Personally, I don't feel it is fair to run a Cat with equal or higher HP against Vee Hulls. I believe that they should always run one Classe higher. That is why modern Super Stock boats should run C2 and 32'+ Skaters with big blocks and alike should run C1.

I also believe that any class other than 1-6 should have to have at least 2 boats to run or you move to 1-6.

Originally Posted by DrGaryDC (Post 3265171)

So help me understand why Chiro One needs to be bumped to class 3. The best that boat has seen all year was 86mph and based on your input it needs to go to a 95mph class. We did well in the small chop of patchogue and got destroyed in the flat water in St. Claire. Seems pretty evenly balanced. Your real Brilliant!!

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3265412)

If 4, 3 and 2 were 80, 90 and 100 you wouldnt have that much of a problem

Originally Posted by DrGaryDC (Post 3265422)

If class 3 was a 90mph class, that would not be a problem. If my boat did run 95mph then class 3 would be fine too. I dont need someone to tell me what class my boat should be in based on assumptions and not knowing

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3265411)

I disagree, When we ran Stylin in Class 1, Relentless wasnt competitive in rough water with us, lightning jacks, JEM (now wicked). To Run bull on the beach in class 1 would be a death wish in my opinion. We built a few 32 Classics (Wits End, Stylin 1 (not the class 1 boat)), there not competitve against new style 32s, 36s or talons. Running 115 in a 32 Classic is on the edge in race conditions.

Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 3265436)

.... I know that was a long time ago, but running it in class 3 is a stretch.

Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 3265439)

110mph Class 1
100mph Class 2
90mph Class 3
80mph Class 4
70mph Class 5 * (single engine 29ft and under)

Simple enough..

Originally Posted by Ryan Beckley (Post 3265436)

But you gotta remember in it's hey day the How Sweet it is 32 was the fastest 32 there was running speeds over 130MPH.... I know that was a long time ago, but running it in class 3 is a stretch.

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3265444)

I sitll dont understand changing class 5. Cotner, Akula, PFE...would get spanked by Randy, Outragous and the other class 5 boats. Even at 70.

Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 3265448)

We would put our big motor in..

Originally Posted by TYPHOON (Post 3264857)

In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
MD

Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3265468)

:I think i might just have to move to class 5 since we will get or azz handed to us ok well see about that and we wont change a thing on the boat see you in the spring:angry-smiley-038:

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3265473)

It wasnt meant to be takin like that, Im not into trash talking. But c'mon, If you combined all the class 6 boats with most of the class 5 boats would it be a fair race even at 70? No.

Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 3265481)

Didn't a 26 Corsa race OPA class 4? How did that 26 Joker do?

No one boat is perfect for every water or condition, but that's racing.

Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3265490)

Id still like to know why you think the two most popular classes in OPA need to be changed?

Originally Posted by BobbyB (Post 3265496)

I heard from a rival source that Bull on the Beach will not be racing class 3 next year.