I disagree, class 6 is the perfect entry level class, and there both working. And if they were combined, thatd be from 15-22 boatsin class 5. Im all for competition but at what point does it become a little extreme? If it aint broke dont fix it, class 5 and 6 are fantastic. Is anyone in either class not thrilled with there experience this year? And i dont mean personal differences off the course, I mean with the way the class was run.

Both classes work, its just two of the same thing (or very, very close)

I see what you mean, but to me class 6 is a lot easier for guys who have pleasure boats to get hooked with. For example, Akula or the Scarab. Even the guys with 21 SOBs occasionally run. Its not that they couldnt in class 5, it just seems class 6 its easier to take your boat and race it in.

What exactly is the point of messing with the two most popular classes in OPA? (5 and 6)

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This contradicts your previous post regarding the 32 Skaters. If a boat runs above the class speed by 5 mph in PREFECT CONDITIONS it should be moved up. A 32 Skater with 750s runs above 105 as does a 38 Vee with 950s or a 29 with 800hp runs over 75mph.

If they build an over kill boat, move them up or it just kills the class.

oh yeah!

Bounty Hunter. (the other one). It won a ton

if you dont have to change a thing to run class 5 then that means your just sandbagging in class 6

Ditto.

I disagree. I agree with Randy, bracket racing is about building a boat that will run 4 or 5 mph over over the class. That way your not running the boat real loose or just beating on it to run...most of the boats in class 5 are built like this. Most of the ones with big power are also chipped down to 75. The great equlaizer is 1. The ocean, and, 2. Breaking out.

My comment about the skater is more about safety than anything else. A classic 32 skater has to be run extremely hard to keep up with a 36 Skater, 37 talon etc. When we ran Stylin in Class 1 ( a full race 36 spectre) relentless (32 skater) was competitive until the real rough days, where it had to be run on the ragged edge. It was not with the 40 motion that ran.

5 and 6 are working the way they are.But, if i were to change anything i would say move class 6 down to 65 and I think it would attract even more racer to the sport

Fast fun im just busten your balls all in fun .But by proping and chiping we could move a couple of classes if need be but our boat is to small and not a great big water boat so we will stay were we are at. but i think 5 and 6 are fine just the way they are . Gary p-f-e Racing

Good to hear :coolcowboy: Thanks again for the chain in Orange Beach :drink: I owe ya a beer or 4 in feb :drink:

No problem all in fun and Heater 63 that means almost everyone is sandbagging to some pointe in class 6 and most class 5 boats to! and i think we will be drinking long islands in feb?

Drinking and telling war stories :D

yeah I'm better at both of them than I am at boat racin so ya'll better watch out come feb.

Especially if your...uh....gang comes

I respectfully disagree.The smaller, lower freeboard boats are at a disadvantage even in the flat water races.And in the ocean races they dont have a chance!This has been proven many times over in Sportsman A,Factory 1; and now in Class 5.All of the smaller boats that intially started in Class 5 are now in Class 6.The bottom line is that it is not all about speed; boat size matters! There is a need for a seperate class for the smaller boats.I bet if you would ask,most of the current Class 6 teams would agree.

Yep....

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Pass the Salt..

Rich i herd a rumor you are getting a new hull.

:boat:

A friend of friend said you might be joking around this year?

My thoughts, just put together better than mine :coolcowboy:



hey rich....shut it...im torchy lol

That's how rumors get started.

But its fun and it makes everybody wonder if its true.but i did really here a rumor. rich give me a call tomorrow at my shop i have someone that might want your old hull gary.586-465-2120

If you did this we would have classes with lots of compatition in them. Split the purse evenly amongst the boats that take the start and bigger trophys for the top 3 teams. The classes that you are merging normally dont have 5 boats in there class. I like more boats per class. We all cant win all the time. I'm in!!!!
MD

As long as you are at it. Merge SC and extreem at a max speed of 135MPH. 7 classes total. Less trophys to buy saves the producer money. Its a safer race as well.
MD

Me too. Good post Mark!

To me that was always a classic battle in Class 4. The Crazy Cuban in a 26' single engine against the Godfather in the Flying Condo. Different boats, heads up racing.

Originally Posted by waterboy1 View Post
What about leaving the classes essentially the same,require canopies in Class 1, bring back Class 2 , and add a 38FT length limit for Class 4.I think the step down effect is hurting Class 3 and Class 4.Merge some spec classes into bracket classes unless there are five boats.
EXTREME CAT
SUPER CAT
CLASS 1 TO 115MPH CANOPIED...merge SCL
CLASS 2 TO 105MPH...merge SV
CLASS 3 TO 95MPH
CLASS 4 TO 85MPH/38FT...merge SVL
CLASS 5 TO 75MPH/30FT SINGLE INBOARD (TWIN OUTBOARD,TWIN SMALL BLOCK INBOARD GRANDFATHERED)
CLASS 6 TO 70MPH/26FT SINGLE INBOARD

As long as you are at it. Merge SC and extreem at a max speed of 135MPH. 7 classes total. Less trophys to buy saves the producer money. Its a safer race as well.
MD

Now it's sounding better and better!! Great thoughts!! Outlaw in!!

In 6 foot seas at The Point Pleasant,NJ Race, 2002? , they "The Crazy Cubans" kicked my a$$ in that boat. Lots of heads up racing over the years with that boat and those guy's.Great Team! On Any Givin' Sunday!!!!!!!

Trent, instead of letting that fountain sit aound and go to waste....why dnt ya sell it to me:drink:

i think class 5 needs a fountain:evilb:

Augie is being to modest here.

We did race a 26 corsa but the best battles we had with Augie were in the bad boy 32 single engine. If my memory is right, back then there was only one calm race and it was in MD. Augie was very tough to beat make no mistake but we felt we rather compete then drop down a class like a lot of the boats today do. Smitty has a tough job placing these boats but IMO, there is no way that a 41 Apache should be running class 4. There was a 30 Superboat called "Dirty Cash" that ran in P3 in 2002-2003. Ryan Beckly ran in P2 with a 24 skater!! IMO, Boats should be placed in classes based on the best performance it can do not the best the "crew" can do.

Wil

Amen!

[QUOTE=SVL4;3266029]Augie is being to modest here.

We did race a 26 corsa but the best battles we had with Augie were in the bad boy 32 single engine. If my memory is right, back then there was only one calm race and it was in MD. Augie was very tough to beat make no mistake but we felt we rather compete then drop down a class like a lot of the boats today do. Smitty has a tough job placing these boats but IMO, there is no way that a 41 Apache should be running class 4. There was a 30 Superboat called "Dirty Cash" that ran in P3 in 2002-2003. Ryan Beckly ran in P2 with a 24 skater!! IMO, Boats should be placed in classes based on the best performance it can do not the best the "crew" can do.

The 41 Apache your refering to is a 85 mph boat, on it's best day, best water, fastest this crew ever saw was 87. It does not have a reputation of being a flat water race boat. No one team walked away with class 4 this year.:bsflag:

The 41 Apache can run in class 6 for all I care. All I am saying is that Bob Oliver's 41 used to run in class 2 I believe and took overall honors in many races even running against Cats capable of running 110 plus. I am speaking of offshore racing not racing in the bay. That 41 Apache should lap the class in rough. Its just my opinion and I am sure OPA and the class will figure it out.

Wil

[QUOTE=SVL4;3266050]The 41 Apache can run in class 6 for all I care. All I am saying is that Bob Oliver's 41 used to run in class 2 I believe and took overall honors in many races even running against Cats capable of running 110 plus. I am speaking of offshore racing not racing in the bay. That 41 Apache should lap the class in rough. Its just my opinion and I am sure OPA and the class will figure it out.

What about the 38 footers & 36's in the class ? Hard pressed having a winning combination for rough & flat water as our record shows

Guys,

Please lay off the Apache, they originally came in as a class 3 boat and based off of the boats performance consulted with Smitty and it was approved to move into Class 4. I am not by any means trying to throw Smitty under the bus, but part of the job he faces day in and day out is to make tough decisions. They were a new team(together) and need time to gel. Now I personally think the world of those guys and at the end of the day, Simmons still won. Last year, Class 4 was a 4 pony show, which includes Simmons, Chiro, Typhoon, and towards the end Formula. On any given day, any one of those teams can win, now you add Jersey Outlaw to the mix, it should be the foundation to some great battles. As much as Bruce hates me, I know he has the talent and the boat underneath him to be in that mix and my memory is real fuzzy, but didnt "Absolutely Not" win Ocean City? National Guard has what it takes and hopefully we can bring Kilt up north.

All everyone is doing by complaining about the Apache team is pissing them off to where they wont come back and we lost another race team, a good race team. Plus I am sure that no matter how much banter is said on these boards, Smitty has already talked to them and has a better handle on the situation than any of us keyboard artists....

Your logic makes no sense. If you had a problem with me or my apache in class 4, you should have said something earlier. Thanks for your support in my first year out