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Old 12-17-2010 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV
If breaking out is cheating, Has Tyler ever NOT cheated?
Are we back to the Fountain thing again ??


Just let it go................
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Old 12-17-2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND
Frank has no ethics& is a jail bird if he likes you fine if not break out time
I'm with Dean and Tyler on this one! Uncool Post!! I'm with Frank!! I have broke out and stayed within the bracket.
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Old 12-17-2010 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
Are we back to the Fountain thing again ??


Just let it go................
Naw, it's just about Tyler's inability to see his dash GPS
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Old 12-17-2010 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by sbracing
Ok we will call it "actions detrimental to Offshore Racing"
but penalty is the same.

If the guy who ran all the laps breaks out, then the guy who broke out 10 feet in is more deserving.
Like I said some people have 100% different views. I find it FAR more detrimental to have a race with majority of the fleet bobbing in the water broken down and the spectators wondering why there is one boat going around in a circle. Alone.

Case in point - Super Cat. Originally it was a BIG hp class and totally bad a$$ I might add. However the teams couldn't keep the boats together and it would seem a majority of the fleet would breakdown leaving little to no show for the spectators & promoters. Getting sidetracked but just wanted to state that breakdowns are just as, if not more, detrimental to the sport.

Class 5 & 6 are always touchy on these topics how about some input from the faster classes?

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Old 12-17-2010 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
Class 5 & 6 are ALMOST identical with size and speed, and most everyone agrees that we have to many classes but are not willing to sacrifice or change "my" Class.

We are racing and competing and we should be scored against people who actually competed the full event (not a "few" laps") .
Rick quick question - how would those classes be combined? Most view class 6 as the entry level with the 500hp rule. Class 5 is where the real power begins (or at least according to the rulebook). Are you suggesting the 5/6 class run 500hp or that 5/6 run 5 engines (basically just no blowers)?

I think either way you will lose racers - those 6 boats that cannot or simply do not want to invest in higher hp or the class 5 racers who enjoy the big hp. I say leave it as it is.

One thing I did think about at worlds...if organizations were to limit the number of classes how much of raceday would actually be filled with racing??? Worlds have 3 races/starts PER DAY and there still seemed to be long delays in the day. Less classes equal less starts which equal less racing action in the course of a raceday in my opinion. Whats the big deal with 6 performance classes then the big dogs in spec classes come out? Seems to make for a pretty filled day raceday.

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Old 12-17-2010 | 09:55 AM
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"Think about it this way - who is more deserving of points the guy who broke 10ft into the race or the guy who runs all the laps???

As for who should win in certain scenerios I think the guys who break are out first (placed in the order they break), the guys who run all the laps (putting on a great show in the process) but break out finish ahead of those that broke and those that run a clean race the win. "

I like this!!! Great Idea!!!
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Old 12-17-2010 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fantastixvoyage
Rick quick question - how would those classes be combined? Most view class 6 as the entry level with the 500hp rule. Class 5 is where the real power begins (or at least according to the rulebook). Are you suggesting the 5/6 class run 500hp or that 5/6 run 5 engines (basically just no blowers)?

I think either way you will lose racers - those 6 boats that cannot or simply do not want to invest in higher hp or the class 5 racers who enjoy the big hp. I say leave it as it is.

One thing I did think about at worlds...if organizations were to limit the number of classes how much of raceday would actually be filled with racing??? Worlds have 3 races/starts PER DAY and there still seemed to be long delays in the day. Less classes equal less starts which equal less racing action in the course of a raceday in my opinion. Whats the big deal with 6 performance classes then the big dogs in spec classes come out? Seems to make for a pretty filled day raceday.
Horsepower is not King in class 6 or 5, Just look at the Class 5 World Champ, hes running a 525hp...

Look at the Class 6 World Champ, hes running a 385hp Crockett built blower motor..

Just seems class 6 is called entry level, when that's not close to true..
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Old 12-17-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick

Look at the Class 6 World Champ, hes running a 385hp Crockett built blower motor..
Less than one hp per cubic inch in a boosted application?! Riiigghhhhttt

A 525 is minimum for class 5. Again thats barely 1hp per cubic inch. Childs play. Then again they are close to 575-600hp with some tweaks too. I like class 5 because it opens up options for those that like to build motors - one of the main reason the spec classes are almost boring to me. The engines are sealed blackboxes. Now bring back an A-class rule setup combined with a hp/wt ratio and GAME ON!!! Class has a lot of engine builders in it - Wazzup, PFE, Crockett, Saris, next year Champion, etc.

Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
Just seems class 6 is called entry level, when that's not close to true..
Thats because a few teams like to flex their muscle and not follow the 500hp limit

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Old 12-17-2010 | 12:31 PM
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BTW I want to make sure this thread doesnt head down the path of so many threads on OSO.

I am all for open discussion and feel the most input leads to the best solution.
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Old 12-17-2010 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
Horsepower is not King in class 6 or 5, Just look at the Class 5 World Champ, hes running a 525hp...

Look at the Class 6 World Champ, hes running a 385hp Crockett built blower motor..

Just seems class 6 is called entry level, when that's not close to true..
So blowers are legal in Class 6. We had asked about is last Feb. at the meeting and Smitty said there was going to be another blower boat in Class 6, a 24ft. P&D Marine.
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