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Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
(Post 3865467)
In a perfect world 20 Supercats and 20 Super Vee's would be the show, But we are far from living in a perfect world.. a obtainable goal would be 20 class 6 or class 5 boats to build off of.
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It all depends on your goal.
If you want a national professional touring series, you need the big boats. They are the guys that have the resources to do the extensive travelling required. If you are looking for a grassroots, affordable offshore organization based in the Northeast, OPA would seem to fit the bill. |
Originally Posted by sbracing
(Post 3865583)
It all depends on your goal.
If you want a national professional touring series, you need the big boats. They are the guys that have the resources to do the extensive travelling required. If you are looking for a grassroots, affordable offshore organization based in the Northeast, OPA would seem to fit the bill. Peace out:party-smiley-004: |
Originally Posted by TYPHOON
(Post 3863972)
My thought is to give people a taste. Thats why I would only do 15-25 miles. Many have bay bomber boats that they build but DONT want to destroy them. By cutting down the laps and keeping them at 60 MPH they may just give it a try. Bring what ever you want to the class. No rules just dont break out of 60 MPH. I would think a 7K-15K boat could go have some fun. IMO its easyer to get these guy's vs the 100K guy's. A couple of young guns might be able to put something together. And no moving down!!!!!
I also understand the other side of we already have classes and just show up and come in last LOL. IMO that model is a hard sell but I get it. A class for my 28 Cigarette to fit into? I would love the opportunity. |
Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick
(Post 3865421)
All good ideas, but as you know a few of them have a very little chance...
I like the idea of 6-8 regional races up north (OPA) and 6-8 regional races down south (SBI) The "Spec" teams would have to race 3-4 of each for national points (keeping both divisions happy) P-Class can run Saturday, Spec sunday.. But never happen.. one guy would get made and start his own race org. or someone would show up with a non-conforming boat and have a class mde for "him" ... In the real world having 20 class 6 boats is more realistic than having 3 turbine boats.... :party-smiley-004: I think the idea of an affordable entry level class or classes does not dilute our sport.It opens it up to more potential participants.Its not meant to take away anything from the established higher classes.I do think it makes sense to keep this class or classes as trophy only and no prize money.And to keep it affordable as possible by offering reduced registration fees.It is also very important to note, that many great drivers and throttleman over the years got thier start racing at this level..and some are still racing today at the highest level in offshore! |
Does anyone know what the smallest ft of boat is allowed per the K & K insurance policy? Most base policies are 24 ft and up but I am sure exemptions could be made at a higher cost rate of course. Before all of this talk of allowing 23 ft and smaller boats into the fleet as an entry level class, maybe the insurance question should be answered and obviously the more boats the merrier lol but if it makes the policy rate go up, they should cover that cost, unless all the big money guys talking on this thread want to step up and absorb the cost:cartman:
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Originally Posted by waterboy1
(Post 3864210)
On the subject of a three race format...that is a huge mistake.We need to really improve our racing product,and having less than 10 boats on a 5 or 6 mile course is a total bore.In my opionon,particularly at the ocean venues;we should have only ONE RACE!If need be,make the ocean courses a little bigger.Remember, we used to have only one race when OPA was started.And in the APBA and USO days, there were often over 50 boats on the race course at once.Our current events are way too diluted and drawn out.I think alot of build up to an intense two hour race with a fun post race celebration would be a better format.
I agree, ocean races should be 1 race. My first race was point pleasant 2005'. It was 1 race, it was foggy as ****, it was big, it was fun. I'll admit it was hairy getting passed by boats going 115+ but it also made it more challenging. Much better show for the fans also. Having all the boats go out on the course at once is key. |
Originally Posted by waterboy1
(Post 3865691)
I agree with both posts.I think offshore powerboat racing is very similar to off road racing in many ways.Off road racing has a few premiere classes that get the majority of the fan interest,media attention,sponsor support, and higher purse pay outs.In SCORE;the main sanctioing body for off road racing,the featured classes are TROPHY TRUCK and CLASS 1.The level of equipment and cost to compete is very high in the top classes.But SCORE also offers many other classes for all types of trucks and cars, motorcycles and ATVs; to fit just about any type of budget.The entry level classes feature stock trucks,jeeps and even VWs!These limited and sportsman level classes are part of every major event(the biggest being The Baja 1000) along with the professional classes.SCORE considers the limited and sportsman classes as an important part of thier overall race program;and these classes make up the majority of the entries.And SCORE usually has 200 to 300 total entries per event!
I think the idea of an affordable entry level class or classes does not dilute our sport.It opens it up to more potential participants.Its not meant to take away anything from the established higher classes.I do think it makes sense to keep this class or classes as trophy only and no prize money.And to keep it affordable as possible by offering reduced registration fees.It is also very important to note, that many great drivers and throttleman over the years got thier start racing at this level..and some are still racing today at the highest level in offshore! |
Originally Posted by sbracing
(Post 3865583)
It all depends on your goal.
If you want a national professional touring series, you need the big boats. They are the guys that have the resources to do the extensive travelling required. If you are looking for a grassroots, affordable offshore organization based in the Northeast, OPA would seem to fit the bill. |
Back to "Entry Level" class. What I have noticed in this conversation is that a few racers are giving their opinions on what is best for the org or themselves. My opinion is that you should take a look at what you want to achieve before you consider adding another class.
Consider that with a few exceptions, most sites don't stay around for more than a couple of years, (same with the racers). The reason for this is they are not getting enough back for their costs. So if you keep on burning through them you wont have any left. As a former Class 6,5,2 and SV Racer and Promoter I would tell you that what the racers want isn't always what the sites want. They want a huge bang for their buck. Most spectators at these events don't follow racing. Their only experience is at that single event. They want to be impressed and have a great time. So lets face it, Offshore Racing isn't set up for the spectator since most of the race is out of site and after the second turn most boats are spread out. You need to give them the pit party, bands, beer tent and hardwear that they haven't seen and can't afford. A guy with 42 Fountain or even a 38 Sea Ray isn't going to be amazed with a 26' battle wagon with a big block. Or for that matter a 24' with an outboard. You got to consolidate classes, shorten the races and courses, and bring in the bling to keep getting someone to invest in your hobby. |
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