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Old 01-10-2007, 01:14 PM
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Are you sure there wasn't water sitting in the intake/ or heads and then when you took them off and the water just leaked down into the cylinder once you popped the head off. It happens all the time.

As far as the milky oil I see some in the picks, but I don't think it's from condensation there is way too much rust everywhere. I think you had an intake leak, and water was getting in there and mixing with the oil. Maybe!

The only other I don't understand is why is that same area on every piston is clean like that. It was almost as if the water was getting in the intake side somehow and steam cleaning that part of the piston. I really don't know. Sorry!

And when you say hot, holy cow that was hot!!!!!

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Old 01-10-2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by littledcsrodshop
...I don't really know any other way that the water would have gotten there besides either reversion , Intake gaskets leaking , Headgaskets leaking , or letting go. Unless the heads have issues due to the heat. Which if I had to gamble I would say that the water was probably comming in from the headgaskets , or poss. the intake gaskets. Although I would lean towards the headgaskets because the leakdown & that it had been there before your last run. Just my 2 cents.
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Are you sure there wasn't water sitting in the intake/ or heads and then when you took them off the water didn't leak down into the cylinder. It happens all the time.

As far as the milky oil I see some in the picks, but I don't think it's from condensation there is way too much rust everywhere. I think you had an intake leak, and water was getting in there and mixing with the oil. Maybe!

The only other I don't understand is why is that same area on every piston is clean like that. It was almost as if the water was getting in the intake side somehow and steam cleaning that part of the piston. I really don't know. Sorry!

And when you say hot, holy cow that was hot!!!!!
Something like this then... It's identical on both sides.

This might be the cause of both the milky oil in the top and the water in the cyl's.
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After seeing this last picture I really think you had a intake gasket leaking no doubt in my mind.
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Something like this then... It's identical on both sides.

This might be the cause of both the milky oil in the top and the water in the cyl's.
Most likely the issue those intake gaskets don't look too good.
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That intake side of the head is looking pretty ruff

That didn't happen over night either.
( running hot incident)
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Old 01-11-2007, 02:53 AM
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That intake side of the head is looking pretty ruff

That didn't happen over night either.
( running hot incident)
No not really, but the intake gasket is still there and a bit messed up from the deassembly.
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Old 01-11-2007, 09:16 AM
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The plan for the rebuild and upgrade:

New gaskets
New valves
New bearings
New valve springs (Isky tool room?!)
New exhaust

Honing the cylinders and a valve seat job.

Check/measure the cam and perhaps replace it with a roller.
Intercooler (Superchiller or BDS) and some more boost.

Fix the low fuel pressure problem. It might be the pump cam lobe that's torn so if the cam still will be used then an electronic pump will take care of that part (Holley or Aeromotive?!).

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The Jesel system (I assume it is the Comp Series?!) marked and deassembled.

The rust on the steel stands is not too bad really, it's pretty easy to "clean" off, so they will look fine before reassembly.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tomas_wallin
Yes, but the head gaskets looked fine, altough I only ran it one short turn after the incident with the broken water pump belt when the engine ran dry and got a bit too hot.
That incident I do remember!
Nothing new at the engine rebuild for today?
Or did the evening end up with alot of booze and ladies?
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:36 AM
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Does anyone know how you tell if the carbs are boost referenced?! Is the only way to reference to have the hose from the carbs to the intake, or is there any other way?
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