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tomas_wallin 06-02-2009 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by littledcsrodshop (Post 2872793)
Tomas nice numbers on the dyno !!

I'm sure its listed here somewhere but without me going through 28 pages of thread : Are you still running the steel heads ?? Also what cam are you running now ??

I ask b/c besides the bore & stroke our motors are very similar internally & cu" wise.. I am at 511 cu" with 4.375 bore x 4.25 stroke.. I was thinking your motor had ported 990's on it when you got it right ?? Also its funny b/c if I remember corectly our cams were nearly identical too , but not sure if you went back with it or changed it up ??

Hey thanks,

Unfortunately I have now burned a piston... The intercooler pickup sucks and is now replaced with a new one I was stupid enough to not gauge the intercooler water pressure:angry-smiley-038:. I will also feed the motor some more fuel just to be sure and start leaning it out from there.
Yes I still have the steel 088 (or was it 188?) heads.

I have a cam from RMBuilder
242º/250º @ .050" / .646"/646" lift valve / 112LSA

B-Stubb 06-02-2009 07:30 AM

You burned a piston, even if thers no intercooler should not have happened, Theres other problems too much boost timeing or jetting. Intercooler are missunderstood they do help and wook well but you cant run a motor dependant on its function. Maby in a perfect world but not in a pleasure boat.

tomas_wallin 06-02-2009 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by B-Stubb (Post 2878314)
You burned a piston, even if thers no intercooler should not have happened, Theres other problems too much boost timeing or jetting. Intercooler are missunderstood they do help and wook well but you cant run a motor dependant on its function. Maby in a perfect world but not in a pleasure boat.

As I wrote in my post I will feed it some more fuel and start from there. The timing is only at 29deg but I just might lower that to 28 as well. We'll see :)

B-Stubb 06-02-2009 04:25 PM

32-34 deg timeing 92-93 square in carbs no power valve it will live forever secret formula but you probaly wont do it ..

B-Stubb 06-02-2009 04:29 PM

I looked at you dyno too much boost drop to 7 and dyno always run rich so when its in the boat its lean .. I have a 55 gall on drum full of pistons you will to untill you learn

CIG3 06-02-2009 05:48 PM

I agree with B-Stubb. Taking timing away and adding fuel isn't the answer.

tomas_wallin 06-03-2009 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by B-Stubb (Post 2878824)
32-34 deg timeing 92-93 square in carbs no power valve it will live forever secret formula but you probaly wont do it ..

With 31deg timing it was louder on the knock meter, going to 29 did eliminate the suspected knock spikes.

Would you like to explain what makes that secret formula better than the std jetting style with prim, sec and PV's?

lukiepal 09-22-2009 11:03 AM

Tomas, how is everything going with my old Pantera, havent seen any new video or posts, is Bruces old Pantera still around?

Mange 09-22-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lukiepal (Post 2957985)
is Bruces old Pantera still around?

Hi Lukiepal,
I used Bruces old 28 Pantera just one season, 2006. Then I sold her to Pelle in Finland. I Believe he's working on it and she will be back on water 2010 or so. I miss that boat.
The P4-4 are runnig just great. A Bit slow maybe... :D
A funny thing is that we used Bruces old helmets prev weekend on race. Tomas as navigator and me driving, old school classic is the sh*t :D

//Mange

tomas_wallin 09-23-2009 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by lukiepal (Post 2957985)
Tomas, how is everything going with my old Pantera, havent seen any new video or posts, is Bruces old Pantera still around?

Hey Lukie,

It's going quite well - still lacking some power/speed though, still haven't passed 86mph this summer. :( Hoping to get my hands on a P5X during the winter.

For the moment it's back on the trailer but there's a couple more events it will participate in.

There has been way to much lack of boating this summer - and last... Haven't been in any bigger seas what so ever and that definately sucks!

mrhorsepower1 09-23-2009 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by tomas_wallin (Post 2879269)
With 31deg timing it was louder on the knock meter, going to 29 did eliminate the suspected knock spikes.

Would you like to explain what makes that secret formula better than the std jetting style with prim, sec and PV's?

Thomas, taking timing away from a detonating engine is the correct way to go . I build probably more supercharged engines than most on this site and have no issues with burned pistons. Fuel delivery from pump size, location, fuel line size, filters ect...ect... is extremely important. I thought I had this conversation before. The original tune up we discussed should have been very close if everything else was correct. If there is anything I can be of assistance with please let me know. Thanks again!

Best Regards,

Dean Gellner
Gellner Engineering Marine Power

Luuk 09-24-2009 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by tomas_wallin (Post 2958625)
Hey Lukie,

It's going quite well - still lacking some power/speed though, still haven't passed 86mph this summer. :( Hoping to get my hands on a P5X during the winter.

For the moment it's back on the trailer but there's a couple more events it will participate in.

There has been way to much lack of boating this summer - and last... Haven't been in any bigger seas what so ever and that definately sucks!

90mph++ would be nice! :evilb::evilb:

Mange 09-24-2009 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Luuk (Post 2959444)
90mph++ would be nice! :evilb::evilb:

Need to drop the boat from the West bridge central Stockholm to reach that numbers :D

Dude! Sweet! 09-25-2009 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mange (Post 2959588)
Need to drop the boat from the West bridge central Stockholm to reach that numbers :D

That made my coffee come out my nose! :lolhit:

tomcei 09-27-2009 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Mange (Post 2958267)
Hi Lukiepal,
I used Bruces old 28 Pantera just one season, 2006. Then I sold her to Pelle in Finland. I Believe he's working on it and she will be back on water 2010 or so. I miss that boat.
The P4-4 are runnig just great. A Bit slow maybe... :D
A funny thing is that we used Bruces old helmets prev weekend on race. Tomas as navigator and me driving, old school classic is the sh*t :D

//Mange

I would like to see some more pics of that paint job. that looks killer!

tomas_wallin 09-27-2009 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Luuk (Post 2959444)
90mph++ would be nice! :evilb::evilb:

You and me - we'll take care of that on the 17th!:drink:

Luuk 09-28-2009 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by tomas_wallin (Post 2961538)
You and me - we'll take care of that on the 17th!:drink:

Then I´ll hit the wall, or the floor. :drink::drink::coolcowboy:

AIR TIME 09-28-2009 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by mrhorsepower1 (Post 2959393)
Thomas, taking timing away from a detonating engine is the correct way to go . I build probably more supercharged engines than most on this site and have no issues with burned pistons. Fuel delivery from pump size, location, fuel line size, filters ect...ect... is extremely important. I thought I had this conversation before. The original tune up we discussed should have been very close if everything else was correct. If there is anything I can be of assistance with please let me know. Thanks again!

Best Regards,

Dean Gellner
Gellner Engineering Marine Power

DEAN GOT THE TENS UNIT READY TO SHIP, and am looking at a 28 saber in oct with the 3 sutphens and one joker haaha, hey I may have to fly you out here for the install or bring the boat to you so every thing is perfect and pay you of coarse haha. hope you see this later guys good thread.

AIR TIME 09-28-2009 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by tomas_wallin (Post 2650100)
Yes, I'm very aware of the alignment issues and I will take care of that and make it perfect!

Here is the interior

did you send them the back seat or just measurements for it. if you don't mind whats the cost for the three seats not counting shipping? if you don't mind.

tomas_wallin 09-30-2009 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 2962270)
did you send them the back seat or just measurements for it. if you don't mind whats the cost for the three seats not counting shipping? if you don't mind.

It was a 5-man bolster before so I made a couple very detailed drawing with every dimension imaginable and went to PPI with some sketches and pictures and sat down and wen't through everything. It fits perfectly!

z.zuperboat 10-19-2009 08:01 AM

Ive been following the build on this boat for some time. Love the interior. Is the motor back in and running? What was the final top end numbers for the boat ?

tomas_wallin 10-22-2009 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by z.zuperboat (Post 2975415)
Ive been following the build on this boat for some time. Love the interior. Is the motor back in and running? What was the final top end numbers for the boat ?

Thanks! :)

Yes, the motor is back in and running, didn't use it that much during summer though because of lack of time so it's only been about 600miles or so.

Went for a 70mile ride last weekend but since it was only 40F out (and pretty cold water) the motor was running way too lean above 4500 so it was a very smooth ride.

I will probably go for another couple trips before I winterize the boat, will give it more fuel on the prim's and sec's today to see how it runs.

I got a 85mph run during our Shootout but the motor was detuned by then to be safe, we'll see what the fall brings...

MikeyFIN 10-29-2009 08:13 AM

A perfect P4 Class boat dialed in at 85 ;)

Mange 11-18-2009 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by tomas_wallin (Post 2977358)
I got a 85mph run during our Shootout but the motor was detuned by then to be safe, we'll see what the fall brings...

Yeep you did :) (@ 0.42 in this clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZp-...layer_embedded
Some "exotic" boats in our shootout :D

I did 90mph........... :P

Wylie-Rat 11-18-2009 01:10 PM

Great Job and you also have a geat looking boat...


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