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Steve 1 07-02-2010 04:36 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull core done ready for glass.

http://i47.tinypic.com/10p6kas.jpg

Steve 1 07-02-2010 04:41 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Core Finished and Glass placment


http://i49.tinypic.com/2wn65gz.jpg

Steve 1 07-02-2010 04:47 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Mold Piping Just finished and Bonded on.



http://i46.tinypic.com/15qvw45.jpg

Steve 1 07-02-2010 04:55 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Bottom lamination started inside laminate

http://i49.tinypic.com/33bioop.jpg

Steve 1 07-02-2010 04:58 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Bottom Lamination


http://i46.tinypic.com/ndwjsk.jpg

Steve 1 07-02-2010 10:25 PM

Powerplay 38 Deck detail,This is similar to the 25 Powerplay



http://i47.tinypic.com/2unwsaf.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 07:37 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Mold Building Fitting Core trying to get ahead of the lamination


http://i46.tinypic.com/28c3534.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 07:44 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Mold Building ,This mold was bagged and cored.


http://i50.tinypic.com/10hvd76.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 07:50 PM

Powerplay 38 Building Hull Mold ,vacuum bagging core down.


http://i48.tinypic.com/2hh0m5d.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 07:58 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Mold Building vacuum bag setup Core Bonding


http://i46.tinypic.com/2vab1n5.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:09 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull mold Building Bagging Core,Spaghetti cut vacuum channels, that guy is Jimmy who did all the internal structures for Danny


http://i50.tinypic.com/aaudkm.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:13 PM

Powerplay 33 Hull Lamination.



http://i47.tinypic.com/rcmwsy.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:19 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Plug ,Checking the Strakes, Lower Left corner is a Metal file on the chine



http://i48.tinypic.com/epeu4j.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:29 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Mold Building, Core done and outside glass started


http://i46.tinypic.com/16ly04i.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:36 PM

Powerplay 33 Hull second laminate going in


http://i47.tinypic.com/oi4opy.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 08:55 PM

Powerplay 33 Hull Lamination



http://i49.tinypic.com/r8xniq.jpg

VtSteve 07-03-2010 09:56 PM

Did every boatbuilder have this many pictures of the process done Steve?

Thanks again for an amazing thread

Steve 1 07-03-2010 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by VtSteve (Post 3150753)
Did every boatbuilder have this many pictures of the process done Steve?

Thanks again for an amazing thread

Sir You are very welcome ,Danny was the one who really taught me a lesson in photo documenting, The first day I was there Dan came in with a 35 MM in those days and took pictures of everything and every day was the same.

Steve 1 07-03-2010 10:48 PM

Powerplay 38 Deck Plug Mollicam Here is a CNC router spindle and cutter


http://i49.tinypic.com/16lk26d.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:00 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull bagging core in the bottom.



http://i46.tinypic.com/j7vm0o.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:04 PM

Powerplay 38 Deck CNC Company



http://i49.tinypic.com/1570kcz.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:09 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Bagging bottom, closing up the Bag.


http://i46.tinypic.com/29zs9q1.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:16 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull bottom lamination

http://i47.tinypic.com/x1f3pj.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:23 PM

I was working for Danny when I built the first of these Cats.


http://i49.tinypic.com/f01d13.jpg

Steve 1 07-03-2010 11:37 PM

Powerplay open fisherman console from two part tooling.


http://i45.tinypic.com/2yuhqpc.jpg

Steve 1 07-04-2010 05:19 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Plug Finial Fairing



http://i45.tinypic.com/2cr3kh3.jpg

Steve 1 07-04-2010 05:25 PM

Powerplay 33 Inner liner Lamination Pedro


http://i47.tinypic.com/awyoeg.jpg

mccaffertee 07-04-2010 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by CAPEBOATGUY
Very interesting photos. I was with Powerplay from Day 1 untill '86 or '87. You must have been there ofter my time, but it's nice to see the old raceboat pics. BTW, the 25 was an original, not splashed. Pete
The PP 25 was designed and built off of a Linder designed 21'. The plug was made from molds purchased from Apache, who did "pop" a 21' Superboat. I personally bought the bare boat for Dan and he used it as a starting point for his 25. He did make a few modifications, length and freeboard, but like many others, there is heritage in this knock off.

cowisl 07-05-2010 08:42 AM

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Here is a pic with the pads installed with the old screws...I am getting the correct ones this week. I think they look fantastic!

SHARKEY-IMAGES 07-05-2010 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by VtSteve (Post 3150753)
Did every boatbuilder have this many pictures of the process done Steve?

Thanks again for an amazing thread

I know I did ...... :drink:

Very cool stuff Steve !!! :ernaehrung004:

Steve 1 07-05-2010 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by SHARKEY-IMAGES (Post 3151278)
I know I did ...... :drink:

Very cool stuff Steve !!! :ernaehrung004:


Tim Thanks .

SHARKEY-IMAGES 07-05-2010 10:08 AM

I would have liked to have had more photos of my Hydra Tech Cat builds, but the owner of the company was very protective of his lamination schedules...

He recently called to have me shoot his latest boat, but once I told him how "in depth" my photo shoots go, I haven't heard from him since.... :drink:

Steve 1 07-05-2010 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by SHARKEY-IMAGES (Post 3151353)
I would have liked to have had more photos of my Hydra Tech Cat builds, but the owner of the company was very protective of his lamination schedules...

He recently called to have me shoot his latest boat, but once I told him how "in depth" my photo shoots go, I haven't heard from him since.... :drink:


I know trying to be careful here as well, I do want show too much of Danny's systems.

Steve 1 07-05-2010 06:33 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull Plug Right after we flipped over working on the bottom


http://i45.tinypic.com/scqgkx.jpg

Steve Zuckerman 07-05-2010 10:41 PM

Hi Steve,
Thanks for one of, if not the most informative threads I have ever read on OSO. Your experience building and designing hulls is truly remarkable.
An OSO friend and I recently got into a debate over the value of performance improvements with vee step hulls. He thinks they are marketing driven designs than that are more hype than substance. I disagree. I have seen the average speed of production vees rise 15 to 20MPH in the last 20 years. No doubt some of this is also attributal to better engines and drives, but I also think step hulls are more efficient. Why would nearly every high performance and race boat manufacturer spend hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars developing step hulls if they weren't seeing objective increases in performance with them?
I would appreciate your opinion on this, as I know you have been involved in developing steps hulls, and your expertise speaks for itself.
Thanks again for a very informative thread.
Best Regards,
Steve

sinus 07-05-2010 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman (Post 3151847)
He thinks they are marketing driven designs than that are more hype than substance. I disagree. I have seen the average speed of production vees rise 15 to 20MPH in the last 20 years. No doubt some of this is also attributal to better engines and drives, but I also think step hulls are more efficient.

Hello;

Sorry for this offtopic:


Compare Tuff 28, Progression or Velocity or... with boats which have step hulls. If they have same power and weight, they have almost same end speed.
Wery heavy hulls are for sure better with steps, but fast boats?
I am not expert, but I agree with your OSO friend.





bye
Saso

Steve 1 07-05-2010 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman (Post 3151847)
Hi Steve,
Thanks for one of, if not the most informative threads I have ever read on OSO. Your experience building and designing hulls is truly remarkable.
An OSO friend and I recently got into a debate over the value of performance improvements with vee step hulls. He thinks they are marketing driven designs than that are more hype than substance. I disagree. I have seen the average speed of production vees rise 15 to 20MPH in the last 20 years. No doubt some of this is also attributal to better engines and drives, but I also think step hulls are more efficient. Why would nearly every high performance and race boat manufacturer spend hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars developing step hulls if they weren't seeing objective increases in performance with them?
I would appreciate your opinion on this, as I know you have been involved in developing steps hulls, and your expertise speaks for itself.
Thanks again for a very informative thread.
Best Regards,
Steve

Sir First Off thanks you for the very nice comment. There are a lot of strategies on this, I myself control the boats attitude and try to have a minimum wetted surface using the step size and placement along with step angles these are Key here, it takes an experienced designer with a critical eye to realize their full benefits.

Remember you pay a heavy price for every square inch of wetted surface on a performance boat so why not arrange
the bottom so as faster the boat travels less it's bottom is exposed in a “predictable” manner with support, not that half a pyramid shape you get from airing out a straight Vee.

sinus 07-06-2010 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3151873)
Remember you pay a heavy price for every square inch of wetted surface on a performance boat so why not arrange
the bottom so as faster the boat travels less it's bottom is exposed in a “predictable” manner with support, not that half a pyramid shape you get from airing out a straight Vee.


Sorry, you are inside in industry and I have questions for you:

- Tuff, Velocity and Progression I am mentioned becouse of pad kell. They have no pyramid shape of wetted sufrace when go fast. What do you think round of compare with steeped bottom, if it is boat build lighter?
- every square inch of wetted surface cost a lot of performance, this is more than true! Why than boat builders do not build lighter boats? Technology for this it is known and it is not so expensive. Infusion and good core for example.
- when will boating industry start to use lighter and modern engines? Existing engines like big block... are 50 years old mastodonst, which cost lot of weight, fuell and money for service.

Sorry for bad english. I fight with words, but...



p.s.
Nice thread Steve1!


bye
Saso

Indy 07-06-2010 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by sinus (Post 3151884)
- when will boating industry start to use lighter and modern engines? Existing engines like big block... are 50 years old

When lighter and more "modern" engines can make the torque that the big blocks do.

sinus 07-06-2010 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3151903)
When lighter and more "modern" engines can make the torque that the big blocks do.


Easy.
Power it is "maded" from rpm and torque. If you want additionall power you need for example:

- 4.000 rpm and 400 lbft torque
- 12.000 rpm and 133 lbft torque

If you reduce 12.000 to 4.000 you have on the shaft 400 lbft torque and much better efficiency-les fuell consumption and lighter engine.
(Dodge viper do not have better acceleration than new Ferarri with same power...)

I do not know, but two valve engine in year of 2010?



p.s.
Sorry "Steve1" for this interruption of your thread, I am only want to ask few things which I would like to know.




bye
Saso


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