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Steve 1 08-04-2010 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by cowisl (Post 3174641)



Nice Picture!!

Steve 1 08-04-2010 09:05 AM

Powerplay 33 The deck is completely cored with internal structure support.


http://i34.tinypic.com/33mmtrb.jpg

DareDevil 08-04-2010 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3174640)
an elephant could walk on my deck.........

+1 ..no way a deck of an PP is soft..mine was like a concrete floor. and my boat was a 1990 !

sunsation96 08-04-2010 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3174216)
Curious where you've read this? I have a 28 (obviously a little different) but the deck is rock solid. Several people can be on it, no flex. The boat is solid, and I couldn't imagine a 33 differing as they have the same beam, etc.

I was reading it on this website in the PP forum around page 11 and older I think. There was a guy in this thread that seemed to have an ax to grind with PP. I love the boats just wanted to know if this may of been true and what to look for. I think every builder no matter how good they may be at one time or right now may be doing something they may regret or change down the road, after all we are only human and learning is part of the game.

Indy 08-04-2010 09:53 AM

I'm with the elephant comment. My boat ran hard in short, steep, hard hitting Long Island Sound. The only experience I had was perfection.

JROMY ran his harder and experienced nothing but the same perfection.

NEVERSATISFIED 08-04-2010 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3173881)
Powerplay 38 in fixture

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ql9vr5.jpg

Steve,
What did the bare hull and deck weigh as pictured in post 1601?

Thanks again for all your time and knowledge you have shared.
Steve

Steve 1 08-04-2010 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by NEVERSATISFIED (Post 3174846)
Steve,
What did the bare hull and deck weigh as pictured in post 1601?

Thanks again for all your time and knowledge you have shared.
Steve

I will post the weights later, I have to look at some notes and

You are very welcome thanks for visiting this thread.

Catmando 08-07-2010 12:17 AM

I saw DV8 on its lift at Hillsborough Inlet Wednesday while on board the Serenity III evening cruise.

Steve 1 08-07-2010 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3176917)
I saw DV8 on its lift at Hillsborough Inlet Wednesday while on board the Serenity III evening cruise.


Yes that is a very cool place to keep the boat.

rlj676 08-07-2010 06:51 PM

Steve, this thread is still the best on OSO, love the pics, thanks for all the effort.

As you are one of the top industry experts and really understand the physics of the hulls, could you give some insight into what type of setups the PP's like?

For example would my 28 run best w/ a bow lifting prop or stern, 3 or 4 blade, deep X or high, etc? I think you've covered some of this info for outboards, but us inboard guys would like to learn too! As their are only about 3 of these singles......I don't have too many people to ask who really know! Trial and error is out of my budget too right now.

Catmando 08-07-2010 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3177178)
Steve, this thread is still the best on OSO, love the pics, thanks for all the effort.

As you are one of the top industry experts and really understand the physics of the hulls, could you give some insight into what type of setups the PP's like?

For example would my 28 run best w/ a bow lifting prop or stern, 3 or 4 blade, deep X or high, etc? I think you've covered some of this info for outboards, but us inboard guys would like to learn too! As their are only about 3 of these singles......I don't have too many people to ask who really know! Trial and error is out of my budget too right now.

Koss is like Peter Hledin of Skater; he builds 'em he doesn't run 'em. :party-smiley-004:

Steve 1 08-07-2010 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3177258)
Koss is like Peter Hledin of Skater; he builds 'em he doesn't run 'em. :party-smiley-004:


LOL I have Paid my due snd will catch up on the questions Tomorrow.Best Regards.

Catmando 08-07-2010 11:19 PM

One other boat I failed to mention I saw is the 46Skater 'Category 5' whose owner lives on the Intercoastal in north Pompano. Another one I saw was the Superyacht Feadship 'Gallant Lady', owned by Toyota mogul Jim Moran.

wideawake 08-08-2010 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3177269)
One other boat I failed to mention I saw is the 46Skater 'Category 5' whose owner lives on the Intercoastal in north Pompano. Another one I saw was the Superyacht Feadship 'Gallant Lady', owned by Toyota mogul Jim Moran.



Breaking news, Jim Moran died years ago.

Just like John Crouse.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3177258)
Koss is like Peter Hledin of Skater; he builds 'em he doesn't run 'em. :party-smiley-004:

No I test them, That is part of my Job long before the customer gets in the boat ,I guess hanging on a rope off the back at 120++ Watching the water profile and the same looking down the tunnel does not count.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3177178)
Steve, this thread is still the best on OSO, love the pics, thanks for all the effort.

As you are one of the top industry experts and really understand the physics of the hulls, could you give some insight into what type of setups the PP's like?

For example would my 28 run best w/ a bow lifting prop or stern, 3 or 4 blade, deep X or high, etc? I think you've covered some of this info for outboards, but us inboard guys would like to learn too! As their are only about 3 of these singles......I don't have too many people to ask who really know! Trial and error is out of my budget too right now.

The first time I saw a Cobra (Harry O) run in open sea was in 77 during the Magnum Marine Bahamas race, Real impressive!! I was running a 30 Corsa and we swapped lead a dozen times sometimes running a couple feet apart, lost a bottom and the Bacardi race was now upon us,
Got another boat together and dialed in @1:00 Race morning 4 Ambassadors dock Anyway Frog Joel Helperns driver came down and said the boss wanted to see me, the deal was Joel wanted me to run a 32 Cobra and was going to sponsor me with a hull and deck.

With that hull Always turn the props out you need NO transom lift the props, we always ran Mercury props, choppers on the outboard boats ,Offshore Cleavers on the race stuff and Mercury 3 and 4 Blades on the inboards.

The Chine was flared out in the aft on the old hull and looked funkey but it worked well.

The hull has enough bow flair to keep you out of trouble but still allowing the boat to settle in a little and fly straight off the wave crests ( had a ring side seat for a 100 miles) in short there was nothing I would change.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by NEVERSATISFIED (Post 3174846)
Steve,
What did the bare hull and deck weigh as pictured in post 1601?

Thanks again for all your time and knowledge you have shared.
Steve

We are still digging for the weights, Everything there was weighed,Danny had a damn good set of scales from day one.

Catmando 08-08-2010 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177376)
...I guess hanging on a rope off the back at 120++ Watching the water profile and the same looking down the tunnel does not count.

It counts as being CRAZY! :lolhit:

Steve 1 08-08-2010 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Catmando (Post 3177394)
It counts as being CRAZY! :lolhit:


Yes freaked the Big Boss out, he drove during this event ,Goes with the Job, saw a way to get the gearcase up and clear but still have good water flow.

rlj676 08-08-2010 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177385)
The first time I saw a Cobra (Harry O) run in open sea was in 77 during the Magnum Marine Bahamas race, Real impressive!! I was running a 30 Corsa and we swapped lead a dozen times sometimes running a couple feet apart, lost a bottom and the Bacardi race was now upon us,
Got another boat together and dialed in @1:00 Race morning 4 Ambassadors dock Anyway Frog Joel Helperns driver came down and said the boss wanted to see me, the deal was Joel wanted me to run a 32 Cobra and was going to sponsor me with a hull and deck.

With that hull Always turn the props out you need NO transom lift the props, we always ran Mercury props, choppers on the outboard boats ,Offshore Cleavers on the race stuff and Mercury 3 and 4 Blades on the inboards.

The Chine was flared out in the aft on the old hull and looked funkey but it worked well.

The hull has enough bow flair to keep you out of trouble but still allowing the boat to settle in a little and fly straight off the wave crests ( had a ring side seat for a 100 miles) in short there was nothing I would change.

Thanks for the advice.:drink:

Mastercraft240 08-08-2010 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177403)
Yes freaked the Big Boss out, he drove during this event ,Goes with the Job, saw a way to get the gearcase up and clear but still have good water flow.

Sounds like you would of loved a gopro back in the day:lolhit:

Steve 1 08-08-2010 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by mastercraft240 (Post 3177430)
Sounds like you would of loved a gopro back in the day:lolhit:

Up front Yes,the back there is a wet hurricane cat 3 blowing unless the lens are self cleaning, maybe a problem.

wideawake 08-08-2010 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177385)
The first time I saw a Cobra (Harry O) run in open sea was in 77 during the Magnum Marine Bahamas race, Real impressive!! I was running a 30 Corsa and we swapped lead a dozen times sometimes running a couple feet apart, lost a bottom and the Bacardi race was now upon us,
Got another boat together and dialed in @1:00 Race morning 4 Ambassadors dock Anyway Frog Joel Helperns driver came down and said the boss wanted to see me, the deal was Joel wanted me to run a 32 Cobra and was going to sponsor me with a hull and deck.

With that hull Always turn the props out you need NO transom lift the props, we always ran Mercury props, choppers on the outboard boats ,Offshore Cleavers on the race stuff and Mercury 3 and 4 Blades on the inboards.

The Chine was flared out in the aft on the old hull and looked funkey but it worked well.

The hull has enough bow flair to keep you out of trouble but still allowing the boat to settle in a little and fly straight off the wave crests ( had a ring side seat for a 100 miles) in short there was nothing I would change.



Steve, wern't you running with Paul Haggerty then?

wideawake 08-08-2010 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177385)
The first time I saw a Cobra (Harry O) run in open sea was in 77 during the Magnum Marine Bahamas race, Real impressive!! I was running a 30 Corsa and we swapped lead a dozen times sometimes running a couple feet apart, lost a bottom and the Bacardi race was now upon us,
Got another boat together and dialed in @1:00 Race morning 4 Ambassadors dock Anyway Frog Joel Helperns driver came down and said the boss wanted to see me, the deal was Joel wanted me to run a 32 Cobra and was going to sponsor me with a hull and deck.

With that hull Always turn the props out you need NO transom lift the props, we always ran Mercury props, choppers on the outboard boats ,Offshore Cleavers on the race stuff and Mercury 3 and 4 Blades on the inboards.

The Chine was flared out in the aft on the old hull and looked funkey but it worked well.

The hull has enough bow flair to keep you out of trouble but still allowing the boat to settle in a little and fly straight off the wave crests ( had a ring side seat for a 100 miles) in short there was nothing I would change.



Frog worked for me for a while.

He was something else.

I had forgotten all about him, until I read your post.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177456)
Steve, wern't you running with Paul Haggerty then?

I was racing out of his Shop and Stan was doing my motors we ran a Orange 30 Corsa called Switch ,Anglo and Paul were on Murphy's Boat Cocktails ,we built a lot of cool boats there including Elswick's race stuff. Tom Murphy had a artist paint Cocktail glasses with olives,limes and swizel sticks on his boat, I had a guy paint broken cocktail glasses on my deck with olives rolling away.

Ole Tom went nuts in the middle of the night and was yelling his head off all kinds of crap the long and short I must of put the Mojo on him he Broke going out of Government cut headed for Bimini.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177458)
Frog worked for me for a while.

He was something else.

I had forgotten all about him, until I read your post.

Yes he was Frog came up and said in frog talk "hey the old man wants to see you upstairs" Anglo used to work for Joel back when he was racing overseas.

wideawake 08-08-2010 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177459)
I was racing out of his Shop and Stan was doing my motors we ran a Orange 30 Corsa called Switch ,Anglo and Paul were on Murphy's Boat Cocktails ,we built a lot of cool boats there including Elswick's race stuff. Tom Murphy had a artist paint Cocktail glasses with olives,limes and swizel sticks on his boat, I had a guy paint broken cocktail glasses on my deck with olives rolling away.

Ole Tom went nuts in the middle of the night and was yelling his head off all kinds of crap the long and short I must of put the Mojo on him he Broke going out of Government cut headed for Bimini.

Steve, do you remember Fred Seymour, worked for Stan. Fred was my navigator.

Angelo, another Blast from the Past.

Tom always had a hair-trigger temper as I remember.

wideawake 08-08-2010 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177461)
Yes he was Frog came up and said in frog talk "hey the old man wants to see you upstairs" Anglo used to work for Joel back when he was racing overseas.



Last I heard, Frog was working for a high-end car restorer in Pompano.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177462)
Steve, do you remember Fred Seymour, worked for Stan. Fred was my navigator.

Angelo, another Blast from the Past.

Tom always had a hair-trigger temper as I remember.

I would know him by sight maybe, having spent a lot of time at Stans place do not remember him ,I got a education on marine motors in those days, I considered Irwin the best he did Magoons Miami NY engines.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177463)
Last I heard, Frog was working for a high-end car restorer in Pompano.

That whole Cobra crew was made up of great people. I wish Frog the best.

wideawake 08-08-2010 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177464)
I would know him by sight maybe, having spent a lot of time at Stans place do not remember him ,I got a education on marine motors in those days, I considered Irwin the best he did Magoons Miami NY engines.



Fred had a big handlebar moustach. Was from England. Use to play cribbage every week-end with Davey Gilmore, Brownie, Stan Brunner, Jim Bruell.

Passed away in'89, pancreatic cancer. Great guy. My son's god-father.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177472)
Fred had a big handlebar moustach. Was from England. Use to play cribbage every week-end with Davey Gilmore, Brownie, Stan Brunner, Jim Bruell.

Passed away in'89, pancreatic cancer. Great guy. My son's god-father.

Did he work in assembly with Stans kid?

Steve 1 08-08-2010 02:53 PM

Bobby, Pete from Haggerty's shop was Danny's manager for a while and was in the Powerplay Cat at the Key West crash.

wideawake 08-08-2010 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177493)
Did he work in assembly with Stans kid?



No, if I remember, he was involved in sales.

Then he became manager of Florida Wire. Across the canal from Magnum.

wideawake 08-08-2010 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3177494)
Bobby, Pete from Haggerty's shop was Danny's manager for a while and was in the Powerplay Cat at the Key West crash.



Again, you have jogged my memory.

Wasn't Dominick in the boat for that one?

I live just down the street from his restaurant.

Steve 1 08-08-2010 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3177508)
Again, you have jogged my memory.

Wasn't Dominick in the boat for that one?

I live just down the street from his restaurant.


Yes Dominick was driving ,Danny throttling and Pete Navigating.

Steve 1 08-16-2010 11:52 PM

Danny flew out the top Pete the bottom and Dominick was tangled up with the lifeline straps which he pulled the hook straight and swam out.

wideawake 08-17-2010 02:24 AM

Steve: where are you these days?

Steve 1 08-17-2010 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by wideawake (Post 3183984)
Steve: where are you these days?

I am in Lauderdale.

nkosi 08-17-2010 01:24 PM

Sportfish
 
Great thread!

I am looking for a 33 sportfish with outboards, late 90s or newer. If anyone knows of one for sale please let me know.

Thanks.


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