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ilmors would be lighter, and make her better balanced.

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Great .... more ideas that I DON"T need to have bangin around in my head ?!?!?! :rolleyes: :drink:

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I hear ya. Parn put that idea in my head months ago and i can't get it out. And i'm further than you are from getting a 28.

Oh yea, and a set of Konrads (w/ tranny)for low maintenance and no worries.

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Who's approval? Dougs or JD's? I know Doug won't mind.
JM judging from the pics and the transom thickness think this boat will ride in 3-4's better than the concept? I am guessing a little less shuttering. Gonna be a stiff mofo. JD probably should call it the Viagra boat. Sounds like I may finally be able to start talking in earnest soon. :rolleyes: NK

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Yes .... better , stronger , faster , ext ... Should really work well in a CHOP ! Just have to hope the bigger outboards are ready when the boats ready . You are gonna need every hp you can get in that thing !!! :cool:

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Anybody know whatever happened to "Wettrap" ???

Didn't that one have some thunder in it ???

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Still does. Owner lives in Grand Rapids and also owns LEOPAJM's old 41. Wet trap was repainted with some flames and it's mostly blue now. NK

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Is that the blue boat with the big yellow and orange flames? Ive seen that a few times out on the lake. Is LEOPAJM 's old boat the yellow 41 or the maroon with yellow/white flames that was painted blue? Any 28's out there for sale?

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Yellow and purple painted blue. The all yellow with a black stripe is Wicked Won. NK

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Has any body seen my old 28 ... the original Tadpole that was in Powerboat with the 500 Mercs ??? It's in Florida somewhere ???

Cool 24, lives out west somewhere.

That I believe was the boat they had in Hot Boat way back than. Great find!!

fast: i've got that issue right next to me.
todd

quick question is saber using the same hull design for the 41 as apache b-cz damn those 41's are nice as hell how much for the red one im looking for a new boat and wiuld like to see those saber's

Saber has the original Apache mold, If memory serve's me correct they put alot of work into not only refurbish the mold but also straightening it and making it great !

Saber build some Bad A** boats and very fast boats !


Cougarman

Call me 440-567-3441

boli ,
If you are looking for a Big Fast Wave crushing machine that is vertually idestructable & Hard core Classic styling to boot. You better take a look at the big red machine of Jerry's.
& besides you won't have to worry about pulling up to the docks & seeing one just like it ! Thats just one of the many reasons I like the custom built offshores over production boats , Not to mention the Build Quality of Saber Is second to none ! I am not saying all other boats are junk & Saber builds the only quality boat because that is far from true , But I am saying that I don't care what you look at or what your budget is ect.. You Will not find a better built boat anywhere ! You can call me biased because I own one , but I would say I own one because I know what I own ! I hope that makes sense.

WOW !! You drank the kool-aid ! Is your check in the mail ? LOL
How's that V6 project comming?
GIT-UR DUNN !!

A little kool-aid & alot of truth ! But I think we both know that. :D
I was going to mail the check but I didn't know where to put the comma at & besides I couldn't afford the stamp to send it.

As far as my V-6 project I belive I have decided to scratch the 4.3 & go with twin 2.8's due to the power to weight ratio. Who knows I may even try running it as a straight shift for that extra hole shot ! :p

Oh Yeah , almost forgot : GIT-ER-DUNN-D ( Not to be confused with CROC-A-DILE-DUNN-D )

This is from the 2007 Boyne Thunder, bringing up the rear:D

Should be larger...

Thats a cool shot !

what kind of power and how well did you run with the poker run. Im considering running boyne this summer.

I ve just got a single 502, 500HP. As far as how well I did, I made it:D. My top end is around 65 and I would say 90% of the boats running are over 80mph so I get to see everyone pass me and wave so I always try and get out front first when taking off:D. I really enjoy the event but I run most of the long streatchs (from Northport to Beaver Isleand and BI to Petoskey) with a couple others and then catch up with everyone at the card stops. It is a ton of fun and a great event to be part of if you can make it.

I do have to say that even though im not with the fast group the Saber gets compliments when catching all the heavy wash from 40+ offshore boats taking off and running hard and catching some nice rollers out in Lake Michigan and that is the fun part for me!!

thanks for the info, I seen it had some long runs and I didnt want to run the **** out of my boat to try to keep up. I was trying to decided between boyne and chicago, I think boyne will be the one!!! Is 65 on smooth or rough water and what prop are you running your power is pretty similar to what Im running. thanks again Martin

On GPS my top end is 65.4 and that is running in good chop, on flat water usually get 61-62 @ 4900-5000 RPM. I am running a 25 pitch 3 blade mirage and I think it is stock. One of the major differences is my drive with 7 1/2 X-Dimension. Runs great in the rough stuff but cut the top end a little. What is your set up? As far as running hard, there are always a couple smaller boats that cruise the long streatches to so you dont have to worry about being last by any means, it is just fun to take off with the group and run with em for a little while.

Not sure what prop Martin is running & I am sure he will chime in but his X is just a bit higher than yours.... I just checked an old thread were he stated that Doug told him they set it at 15" which would put the propshaft around 6 13/16" below the bottom.... He measured the propshaft to hull for me several months ago & came up with 6" So he falls somewhere between 6" - 6 13/16"

Both X's seem low to me & I am still debating on exactly where to set mine.... Either way it will be higher than either of these mentioned...

Wieland77 : I can't remember but have you ever ran a 4 blade such as a bravo of Hydromotive ect.. & ifso how did it work ?? I ask b/c your prop slip is pretty high... Most 28' boats especially a single have trouble running with 3 bladers..
I have stated before but I believe the low X-dimmension on your boat & Martins is due to the fact that since your boats were built props have changed a bit allowing to run higher X's

How does your boat carry the bow ?? & If you have ran a 4 blade , Ifso what kind & how did the boat react to it ???? Bow lift -stern lift ect..

---I would love to see how your boat reacted to a 2" shortie & a 4-blade bravo or a Hydromotive quad---

If memory serve's me you have one of the first 28" Sabers if not the first. That was Craig Ellis boat here in Grand Rapids, he owns Appearance Products and I'm sure he would share a lot fo history with you.

I guess the reason I mention it being one of the first,....is I'm sure as Saber grew as a company so did Saber's knowledge of better and better set-up's on the rigging end of the spectrum.

So chances are the new 28's are running Higher ( X ) dimension's.

Here is Craig's website:

http://www.appearanceproductsinc.com/

He is doing a lot of the big names now for boat interior's too.

Jon

I gpsed at 69.8 at hardy dam on the smoothest water possible :( with my old moter it was gps 64 at Mullet lake in the perfect chop, havent had a chance to gps in good water yet with new motor. go to a 24 bravo 1 the prop you are currently running is what was stock. I talked with Jim at saber about shorty drives he said without a ex. box it would be worthless, you would lose bow lift. Mike Crawford at CT marine in Lansing has helped me with my motor and has mentioned many times that he did a fair amount of motor work on the first red saber , IM assuming it is yours If you have any questions he is the man to talk too.

I do have th first Saber, atleast that is what the HIN says and what Parnell posted in another post. I havent tried a 24 4 blade but did try a 22 pitch 4 blade Bravo that greatly increased handling and control but could only turn 4700 r's with it and top out at 60. Would like to do some prop testing this summer. As far as I know the boat has always been a Western Michigan boat and The previous owners name was Dan Belka. The only history I know of the boat is what I have leared from this site. Last year Ben , at Precision Power Offshore in Grand Haven, redid my motor when I lost a push rod due to a failed roller rocker. He just did a freshin up and put a mild cam and some other stuff in it. I believe the motor is original because the serial #is from the 88-91 generation and was a 454 Bowtie that was bored to 502ci at some point.

Cougarman,

Tanks for the info for Craig. I would like to get a hold of him, especially if he does interior work. It is still original and needs a face lift. I also need a new cover that is used as the entry into the cabin, it is tinted plexiglass cover and swing in door, and it has cracked and chipped. You guys with 28's, what type of setup is you cabin entry? I have never seen another 28 in person and would'nt mind seeing some interior shots for newer styles.

I wish I could do a lot to the boat but I need to be patient due to lack of funds, can only do little things here and there when I can. Sooner or later I will get it where it needs to be. Im only 26 so as work gets better so will the Saber:D.Thanks, MIKE

If you looked at Craig's website you will see his interior work and it's even better in person. Craig has some very talented people working for him. Unless things have changed he was doing all of Skater's work now along with a few other's.

He was also going to do all of Saber's interior's for all there new construction. Not sure if that is still in effect with some of the side effects there company recieved from the Boat drama/scandle that transpired againt's there will.

I believe he did some or (maybe) all of Leopajm / Jerry's boat too.

As far as looking at other Saber's for interior idea's I don't think you will see much Change. Saber's focus was alway building a bullet proof boat for you that would stay together after a day On Lake Michigan. There interior's were rather spartan......No disrespect to them. Cause there focus spoke for it self, those who have the Saber's know they are built well and all seem to love them.

So it would be nice to see some new Construction with Craig's interior's work, cause it would be a rockin Package.

Good Luck
Jon

Here is a decent shot of my cabin door... I may have a better picture of it at home , I will look when I get home & see what I have...

It may be the same door you have... Dark smoked Plexi with an alumunim frame... It is double hinged on the top & the entry both... The top part also has a small gas shock on it.

Hope this helps some & like I said I will see if I have a better pic. at home. If the boat wasn't tightly wrapped in plasic from the cockpit forward I would snap you a few pics.

Here is a picture of mine. Same basic design as the 28.

heres a few shots of the interior, Im on a budget also so I do every thing myself, I would be glad to give some advice on how to keep it as cheap as possible or who to talk to in the area. The motor copartment is a little trashed working on rewire of engine fabbed some aluminum brakets and plates for the floor that are at the powder coaters and lengthning the stainless marine risers this winter I will post some pics when its done It should look pretty trick, at least I hope.

some more pics of things I have been working on this winter, lengthning risers , some aluminum plates for a skater transome that split open from 300 mercs on jackplates they tie the transome to the stringers

Awesome job on the dash. Did you re-powder coat the shifters?

Martin the boats looking really good !! Those risers should give the exhaust note a bit nicer tone.:D

I may get with you about doing a platform for me , just not sure yet & like you mentioned budget...budget...budget....is Always my story !!!:(

Now back to cutting ,grinding ,itching , & laying some glass.

I powdercoated both dash plates the shifters and had piece that hold the trim and tab switches cut out of billet aluminum then powdercoated. I started sending my powdercoating out, much easier and cheaper. did you decide what youre going to do with the shifters in your boat the price I sent you was extreme high end to cover my ass in case there was a unseen problem most likly It would be cheaper, rather have you be suprised than shocked I hate machine shop tricks!

:this is just a simple fix for the time being, Jim at saber has a set of elbow tops I talked with about. when things pick up around here I will be working out a deal with him if he still has them. other wise I picked up a set of imco hp risersfor power flow manifolds. Im still a little upset with stainless on there bait and switch tactic that cost me $70 in shipping

Wieland77

You probably have a good idea what it looks like but here is another shot of the cabin door.