Chris, what yr is your boat?

1995

What hull number?
And yes, i will only ask one question at a time... just to annoy you. :D

LOL - its number 17

Chris nice looking boat. How many hp do you have and how fast is it? Do you have any interior pics?

the motors are 650HP a side

took those pictures in michigan before we brought her home and scrubbed her up... it looks a little dirty in a few of those pics.

Looks good, how fast is it? I have to do something with my interior, just trying to decide what.

it cruises low 50's at 3000 rpms and 80 - 82 around 5000 rpms it should red line around 5500 but i think it has a rev limiter on it cant get it past 5000 rpms even with smaller props - these are GPS speeds.

I would guess its only a guess 572s pushing 650hp would have a red line at 5800 to 6000rpm. did you get dyno sheet showing wear the tq and hp was at? sounds like your limiters are stopping you from getting to the full 650hp. these boats with 502 465hps went 85 to 87 at 5200 rpm. and being a 96 I would think the drive height was set up for bravo 4 blades and not 3 blade mirage props. my 509 made its best tq at 4800 and hp at 5800 to 6000 which was 650hp with a 1050 dom my 850 bg made 637hp my boat ol24 ran 75 or so at 5200 and ran out of prop at 6000 plus at 83.2 all gps. your motor might want to run at 5800 to 6000 to get to there 650hp. there was the other twin with 600 hp that did runs of 104 and 110 gps maybe there drives are set higher but it sounds like you need to have someone check limiters . I wish I was done to give some info on mine but new tank is not ready yet but as soon as it is it will run even if I have to watch out for icebergs for a test run. I you figure it out, ps my 572's red line is set at 6500 art

Here is some updates from mine. Pretty much a new boat now. New paint, interior, XR drive, and 598 Procharged engine :drink:

Have only had it out a couple times and cant seem to get it prop'd quite right. I have a deep X, 7 1/2" i think. Best Ive ran with the new motor is 74 but in flat water. Usually gain 3-5 mph in 3-4 footers but i was hoping to hit 80. Engione dyno at peak HP of 749 @ 5500 and peak Torq of 820 @ 3800

Mike,
Engine lools KILLER!
I hope to see it in person next June in Cleveland again.

Looking good guys !!

Mike what blower are you running ? I was thinking you had an M1 ? However thats allot of HP for an M1.. Either way its looking good & thats some good power..

You guys have me scared my little piss ant power won't allow me to break 60.. haha..

Thanks Chis, hopefully we can make it down there again next year, anymaybe we can both make the entire run without any help too:drink::drink:

Scott, yes, i am running a M1 Procharger with anout 4 lbs of boost. Could make 750 natural with the motor I have if i could spring for some new heads but im a little over extended as it is and i already had the procharger so what the hell.

Nice looking boat.

I wanted to ask you guys what you think i should be running for prop. I have had the best performance with a Bravo 26 where i was running about 5400 r's @ roughly 74. Last night a tried a Bravo 28 which might have been a little labbed (dont know the history but you can tell it was labed in some way) and was turning 5200 at WOT but only running 72?? The dyno sheet showed that the torque falls off at 5200/5300 so i was right were I needed to be with the 28 but why am i not seeing at least the same speed as with the 26? I did try a Mirage Plus 27 but I couldnt get it to hook up and wanted to cavatate, it would turn 56-5700 r's but only running upper 60's. I always thought that with my deeper X I should try to stay with a 3 blade prop but that 27 sure didnt work and couldnt seem to hook up and no throttle response like with the 4 blades (they put ya back if your not holding on :drink:). Any advice on what to try would be great. Thanks, MIKE

What heads are on it now ? Also out of couriosity what kind of compression are you running ? Yeah I didn't figure you were making a ton of boost with a M1 on 598 cu"

As for the props if the 28 has been messed with it may not be the best baseline.. it did slip quite a bit more than the 26 did & not know whats been done to who knows ?? In my opinion its gonna be hard to run a 3 blade on a 28' deep V with any efficiancy.. It would be really nice to find someone that would let you borrow a 2" or 3" shorty.. Even with the drive burried that deep I would have guessed it would have turned the a bit harder but its always easier to say that in theory.. haha..

Its has stock steel heads that have always been on it, that and exhaust are the major contributers holding the engine back, but its comfortable where it is, nice and mild:)

I got a really good deal on a new XR but i was looking for a 2" shortie to put on it because that would help a TON. If i could find a good deal on a shortie i would jump on it, even if it were just a lower case and i had to transfer the gears, less the shaft of course.

The last thing im gonna try, if i can find one, is a 29 3 Blade and see what that does. Before the motor work i was running a 500hp 502 with a 25' Mirage 3 and that worked really good compared to a 4 blade so i dont know... i was really hoping to hit 80 and still might in the right conditions and right prop. IDK, just glad to have it running again, and 10 mph faster than before! CHEERS :drink:

sorry that mine isn't done so I could let you know if I am right or wrong about heights on these boats BUT my baja hit a wall at 75 with 585hp or 650 hp as soon as I put the 2'' shortie and recarbed I hit my red line at 6000rpm 83.2 gps never got to try a 28 drive was stolen with outer parts. ernies sutphen was set at 4 3/8'' propshsft last yr I told him what I planned and he went with a new 1'' shortie to 3 3/8'' and loves it pick up 4mph boat went 92 now 96 with aprx 950hp 31'6'' straight hull.what sux is even at 5'' you might be loosing speed. its always cheaper to go down. thats why I redid my transom so if anything Imight have to go a 1/2 or 1 lower but I don't think so. we will see before christmas I run it hope for nov.

Boats looking good Mike, good to see your back on the water. I may go for one more ride this weekend if the weather does what they say. Your prop dilemma is interesting, I agree with Scott you should find an untouched 28 and see what happens, seems like you should be in that 28-30 range with that HP. Your builder would know best but I wouldnt spin it past 5400. I might be worth calling BBlades and getting his opinion on the prop. Also when if you are trying 3 blades I was told the standard Mirage worked better than the plus on our hull.

Thanks Eric, i agree and I found a guy that is going to let me try a 30 4 blade just to see what that does. I want to try to get WOT at around 5200 r's 5300 max and i have my rev limiter at 5500. If your out this weekend we will have to catch up, I plan on using the boat regardless of weather:drink: You heading out of town or just staing around the bay?

Ill be around here, most likely sunday.

Boat rides ?

You get you a boat yet?

Scott, i forgot to answer your other question. Compression is 8.9:1, and timing set at 30'. Again, built with very mild cam and all the "good" parts, and built to last (whatever that means. hehe)

mike, did you get to try out some props this weekend? i went out sunday, saw your boat in the well on the river. was beautiful out but a little flat, sorry to say thats my last ride for this year, gonna winterize this week i think.

Bump, can't believe it's been over ten years since there's been a post on this thread.

Hotjava - did you sell your boat? Thought that was your 28 listed in 2018.

Here’s a photo of one at last years Shootout.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a806581e8.jpeg

Sold a few years ago, I believe it has been resold since. Miss it, but season is short here and have other obligations with the kids these days. Was a great boat, may have another one in the future, the newer outboard boat and 34 with Illmors are both awesome.

The Ole Wave Hippie still looks fantastic all these years later!

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e528b513ac.jpg
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Wow, that old race boat looks awesome. Saw this 24 for sale few weeks ago, saved a few pics because it's rare to see one.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...abc7f11f80.jpg
Purple Haze still killin it!
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9d25837ade.jpg
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Love the pics, keep them coming. Looks like the rear rides a little low with twins, no?

Hands down my all time favorite saber video, with hotjava's old boat. Impressive throttle arm man. The boat just seems to defy the laws of physics. That girls was such a trooper, my wife would of chewed me up alive.

saw this boat and talked to the owner up on clam lake (by torch lake). nice guy , told him about this Saber forum. hopefully he sees it.

that girl drives a cigarette gladiator. shes got this one covered. lol

That's sweet, don't see many women get into powerboating.

Anybody interested in selling their 28 Saber? I'm looking. Wish I would of bought that all white one when I had the chance....... twice I missed it.

heres mine
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...817736e437.jpg
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Purple Haze Today
 

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...56e2f93f5f.jpg

dont see how those wont hit 100!:D