dodge vs chevy vs ford diesel
#31
Originally Posted by outriggers
I wish they would just do the Cat/Allison combo and be done with it. Doug
#33
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I drove all 3 and went with the Chevy. The Cummins engine was great, but i didn't like anything else about the Dodge. I've been a GM man my whole life, but the Ford REALLY impressed me. It's a sweet truck. I ended up with the Chevy only because it fit in the garage better. I really like it, but either Ford or Chevy are nice trucks. Both diesels are monsters, altho I like the allison tranny. For the money they get for these things, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
#34
I just about decided on the GMC Duramax/allison 3500 when my bud asked whats going to happen when your wife takes it for a ride....Can you say fender flares!! she has knocked two mirrors off my Tahoe. Guess it will be the 2500 GMC. But dam the dually looks so good in Fire Red
#35
Originally Posted by buck183
Been a GM man my entire life. Stepped up and bought a Ford this time around.
Sorry to hear about your rocky start buck, but I'm glad to see you finally came around
Seriously, I don't think you'll be disappointed with either a chevy or a ford but I would stay away from dodge they just seem to always be a little behind the rest.
I drove my 7.3 powerstroke for 180k with only minor problems (basic mechanical wear items) and now I have a 6.0 powerstroke that's been great so far, I've had a few issues that were taken care of under warranty but that's to be expected. I'll stick with fords for now.
#37
Originally Posted by hillbilly24
Part of the reason that the Excursions hold their value better is that they don't make em anymore and they really didn't make them all that long compared to every other SUV out there. It was probably the most popular SUV to ever be discontinued, GM's rebates and interest rates are not helping their rresale values either, they have almost eliminated the hit you normally take when you buy a new truck instead of used. It's a good thing if you are looking to buy a new GM, it's bad if your looking to sell a used one. The Excursion was also the "big daddy" of the bunch, I don't know what it is about it but it just seems like more of an animal then the Suburbans ever have to me.
On the topic of Dodge, they really just haven't kept up with the pickup trend lately. For a long time all three manufactures were cuilding trucks for guys who liked to drive em to the office everyday. Over the past 6-7 years Ford and Chevy have stepped up and started building work trucks again and Dodge is still building pleasure trucks, they just don't hold up. I don't know a single person that has purchased a Dodge i the last 5 years and been happy with it. They wait until the first moment that they can afford to sell it and buy something else. This isn't a brand loyalty thing either, I am a Ford guy but I'm trying to speak honstly here. The Dodge's just have a host of problems including electrical, front end, transmission, and long term engine reliabilty. Just go close the tailgate of a new Dodge truck, it only weight like 10 pounds. A friend of mine set a half pallet of block on his and it crumpled under the weight, I have had 6,000 pounds on mine and it held up. It's the little things, the interiors are chincy in the Dodge. They look nice initially but they fall apart quick, mirrors fall off, seat heaters quit working, arm rest hinge breaks, they just aren't a working mans truck. I think i have said enough on this one. Ya'll have fun.
On the topic of Dodge, they really just haven't kept up with the pickup trend lately. For a long time all three manufactures were cuilding trucks for guys who liked to drive em to the office everyday. Over the past 6-7 years Ford and Chevy have stepped up and started building work trucks again and Dodge is still building pleasure trucks, they just don't hold up. I don't know a single person that has purchased a Dodge i the last 5 years and been happy with it. They wait until the first moment that they can afford to sell it and buy something else. This isn't a brand loyalty thing either, I am a Ford guy but I'm trying to speak honstly here. The Dodge's just have a host of problems including electrical, front end, transmission, and long term engine reliabilty. Just go close the tailgate of a new Dodge truck, it only weight like 10 pounds. A friend of mine set a half pallet of block on his and it crumpled under the weight, I have had 6,000 pounds on mine and it held up. It's the little things, the interiors are chincy in the Dodge. They look nice initially but they fall apart quick, mirrors fall off, seat heaters quit working, arm rest hinge breaks, they just aren't a working mans truck. I think i have said enough on this one. Ya'll have fun.
If you can bare to look at this article, here's a Cummins that has ...
http://list.priceweber.com/cummins/million_mile.html
I've had two Dodge/Cummins towing 14,000 lbs and had minimal problems and absolutely NO ENGINE issues. My '95 had a leaking axle seal and a bad ball joint and that's it. The 2003 is even better and don't tell me it's a pleasure vehicle, what a joke.... don't tell us you're talking "honstly" !!!
I AM biased , because I USED to be a Ford guy , but after having two Dodges I can "honstly" tell you that the Dodge blows 'em away. I will admit that in a drag race(with no load ) the PSD will smoke a Cummins , but I want torque and durability, not a V8 problem child. Come back when you can show me a million mile PSD, LOL!
#38
Originally Posted by boathead
Need I remind you that Ford has had their share of tranny problems also, with both manuals and autos. The 6.0 liter PSD has been a problem child, that's why Ford has been looking for another engine manufacturer. What exact "long term reliabilty" problems can you cite? How many Ford Powerstrokes have gone over a million miles with out an overhaul ? NONE!
If you can bare to look at this article, here's a Cummins that has ...
http://list.priceweber.com/cummins/million_mile.html
I've had two Dodge/Cummins towing 14,000 lbs and had minimal problems and absolutely NO ENGINE issues. My '95 had a leaking axle seal and a bad ball joint and that's it. The 2003 is even better and don't tell me it's a pleasure vehicle, what a joke.... don't tell us you're talking "honstly" !!!
I AM biased , because I USED to be a Ford guy , but after having two Dodges I can "honstly" tell you that the Dodge blows 'em away. I will admit that in a drag race(with no load ) the PSD will smoke a Cummins , but I want torque and durability, not a V8 problem child. Come back when you can show me a million mile PSD, LOL!
If you can bare to look at this article, here's a Cummins that has ...
http://list.priceweber.com/cummins/million_mile.html
I've had two Dodge/Cummins towing 14,000 lbs and had minimal problems and absolutely NO ENGINE issues. My '95 had a leaking axle seal and a bad ball joint and that's it. The 2003 is even better and don't tell me it's a pleasure vehicle, what a joke.... don't tell us you're talking "honstly" !!!
I AM biased , because I USED to be a Ford guy , but after having two Dodges I can "honstly" tell you that the Dodge blows 'em away. I will admit that in a drag race(with no load ) the PSD will smoke a Cummins , but I want torque and durability, not a V8 problem child. Come back when you can show me a million mile PSD, LOL!
Fist off this thread was started by someone who was seeking information and OPINIONS. Please don't turn it onto an arguement. It sounds like you have some valid information and opinions of your own to post and that's great, but lets not go down this road. As for seeing a PSD with a million miles, I have seen plenty of 7.3L's go the distance, no 6.0L's yet but only time will tell. I was the maintenance supervisor for a company called Durham Transportation(now Durham School Services) in their Palmdale California yard. The last year I was there we had 212 vehicles wiht an aggregate mileage of 25.44 Million miles from september 1999 through June 2000 (we based our year on the school clanedar. That's an average of 120k per vehicle in a 10 month period, They left the yard at 4 AM and returned at 8-9 PM, With a fuel stop and driver change at the yeard at around noon everyday. The comnpany owns something like 20,000 vehicles nation wide and we spent millions of dollars in research and testing and what I posted was the conclusions that we came too, have you noticed that no other fleet other then some government agencies run Dodge's ? Yeas they have ALL had trans problems at some time in their past or present, Ford and Chevy just seem to be alot more on the ball when it comes to taking care of them. Look at the E4OD, it was a piece of junk when it first came out. Now with all of the Ford updates it's a pretty stout trans, Unfountenly it's name was ruinned by the time they got it worked out. As far as long term problems on the Cummins, we never saw one get passed 100k without a head gasket, timing cover gasket, injectors and injector pump. Those are all labor intensive jobs that added up to operating costs that were 53% percent higher then Chevy and 47% higher the Ford. That doen't include lost revenue cuased by ecxessive down time either. If you include that Chevy is actually the winner due to better partsd availability, Chevrolet dealers are rewuired by thier dealer contracts to carry a more complete parts inventory then Ford requires, byt he way Dodge is also the worst int hat depratment, and no you can't get parts for a Cummins in a Dodge pickup at the Cummins dealer, you can get some of the stuff but they are a diffrent CPL # then Cummins uses for any other application and you can only get the parts for them at a Doge dealer. Oh and you are right I am biased, I still love 2 stroke detriot diesles nothing like the sound of an old silver star 92.
#40
My dad was a diesel mechanic/instrutor in the Navy. When he retired, he taught at Cummins. My first diesel was a 6.9 Ford (IH). I told dad that it wasn't no Cummins, and he replied, "It ain't no Detroit Diesel either". DD is his favorite.




I'm starting to feel like I'm in a support group.