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Old 02-13-2008 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe92GT
The duramax has been the truck to buy for the last 5 years.

Unless of course you like breaking down, or driving a dodge. (I own a 2000 f-350 7.3). So its not brand loyalty, its just the reality of a really superior drive train.
hehehe you funny . hook that durachock to a cummins and see what happins . your ifs will bust in to peices .
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Old 02-13-2008 | 09:27 AM
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hehehe you funny . hook that durachock to a cummins and see what happins . your ifs will bust in to peices .
Since this has never been tested (that I'm aware of), I would venture to say that the Dodge tranny would blow up before the IFS on the Duramax.

(This thread is turning into a classic computer jocky war, complete with vague generalities and opinions. Just thought I'd participate.)
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Old 02-13-2008 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BDARCHER
It takes five times the people to manufactuier make the parts, as it does to assemble parts. Its an economic war. In 60 years will it be ok to have bin ladin motor in your grandkids truck. Tthink obout it.
Your Ford diesel was in large part designed by and in order to use Siemens injection technology, Siemens is a German corporation that has been investigated on account of it's prohibited Nuclear technology turning up in Iran and Iraq.

Gm bought a share of Isuzu in part to access some of Isuzu's design features for it's diesels. Isuzu never built the Duramax. It is built by Duramax corp in MORAINE, OH formerly a joint venture between GM and Isuzu.

Both GM and Dodge rely heavily on Bosch injection technology for their latest offerings. Bosch is another German Corp.

GM's new 4.5-liter V-8 Duramax small block design will be built in TONAWANDA, N.Y.

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Old 02-13-2008 | 09:59 AM
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Id buy a Chevy diesel if they put a Cat in it.
No questions asked
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Old 02-13-2008 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BDARCHER
Id buy a Chevy diesel if they put a Cat in it.
No questions asked
Cat has just signed a deal to build it's small and medium diesel engines in CHINA. http://www.americanmachinist.com/304...e/False/70551/

Besides a Cat would be noisier and less powerful than a Duramax most likely.
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Old 02-13-2008 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Wobble
Your Ford diesel was in large part designed by and in order to use Siemens injection technology, Siemens is a German corporation that has been investigated on account of it's prohibited Nuclear technology turning up in Iran and Iraq.

Gm bought a share of Isuzu in part to access some of Isuzu's design features for it's diesels. Isuzu never built the Duramax. It is built by Duramax corp in MORAINE, OH formerly a joint venture between GM and Isuzu.

Both GM and Dodge rely heavily on Bosch injection technology for their latest offerings. Bosch is another German Corp.

GM's new 4.5-liter V-8 Duramax small block design will be built in TONAWANDA, N.Y.
GM didnt need isuzu for the help. They own Detroit diesel.
Yes the japs sold the ruskies quite prop tech in the 80s for their nuc subs also.
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Old 02-13-2008 | 11:22 AM
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Yes..we all know I am the biggest jap hater...but boy...can they make more power than them all..funny...when you get into them...seems like alot of american tech in there....nothing even seems jap...nothing...weird....I really love the valve train...like a duplicate of jessel...I have heard from the higher ups in this world of d max kings that the motor was built from american engineers....I am going to verify this info...I am curiuos.....crappin japs probably did use american engineering to produce it...then sell it back to us...but still....I know for a fact that they totally will surpass any of the others for power when tuned hard...insane!
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Old 02-13-2008 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Wobble

Gm bought a share of Isuzu in part to access some of Isuzu's design features for it's diesels. Isuzu never built the Duramax. It is built by Duramax corp in MORAINE, OH formerly a joint venture between GM and Isuzu.

Both GM and Dodge rely heavily on Bosch injection technology for their latest offerings. Bosch is another German Corp.

GM's new 4.5-liter V-8 Duramax small block design will be built in TONAWANDA, N.Y.
One year later, GM and Isuzu formed a joint venture for the development and production of the 6.6 liter Duramax Diesel.
The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was the product to meet a rather bold goal.

That goal was to design, build, and deliver the most powerful diesel engine for use in a full size, light duty pickup truck.
Today, General Motors' new line of heavy-duty pickup trucks are consistently increasing diesel engine market share. The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was voted as one of "Ward's Communications" 10 best engines for the year 2001.





The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio. The GM / Isuzu relationship is growing stronger daily, with a commitment from both companies to remain dedicated to continually improving the quantity and quality of GM diesel powered pickup trucks. In terms of diesel engine production, Isuzu is poised to become the dominant diesel engine provider in North America.

When it comes to diesel engines, General Motors relies on Isuzu to provide the most technologically advanced diesel power. The introduction of the new Duramax Diesel 7800 is showing the world that together they can design and build competitive, powerful, and reliable diesel engines for use around the world.

GM is committed to using Isuzu diesel power in all its trucks. Offering an additional advantage for GM customers of "One Stop Shopping" for all parts, service, maintenance, and repairs. The GM dealer is certified, equipped, and ready to handle all Isuzu maintenance, repair, and service needs.

http://shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm
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Old 02-13-2008 | 12:36 PM
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Just more and more propaganda. If we keep buying it. They will keep selling it. All day long.
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Old 02-13-2008 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Outlaw_30
One year later, GM and Isuzu formed a joint venture for the development and production of the 6.6 liter Duramax Diesel.
The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was the product to meet a rather bold goal.

That goal was to design, build, and deliver the most powerful diesel engine for use in a full size, light duty pickup truck.
Today, General Motors' new line of heavy-duty pickup trucks are consistently increasing diesel engine market share. The Duramax 6600 Turbo Diesel was voted as one of "Ward's Communications" 10 best engines for the year 2001.





The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio. The GM / Isuzu relationship is growing stronger daily, with a commitment from both companies to remain dedicated to continually improving the quantity and quality of GM diesel powered pickup trucks. In terms of diesel engine production, Isuzu is poised to become the dominant diesel engine provider in North America.

When it comes to diesel engines, General Motors relies on Isuzu to provide the most technologically advanced diesel power. The introduction of the new Duramax Diesel 7800 is showing the world that together they can design and build competitive, powerful, and reliable diesel engines for use around the world.

GM is committed to using Isuzu diesel power in all its trucks. Offering an additional advantage for GM customers of "One Stop Shopping" for all parts, service, maintenance, and repairs. The GM dealer is certified, equipped, and ready to handle all Isuzu maintenance, repair, and service needs.

http://shadetreemechanic.com/duramax_diesel.htm
Sam wrote that in 2001 I think, doesn't change the fact that GM owns 60% to Isuzu's 40

Here is something a little more up to date

2/5/08

GM's press release below:

General Motors Corp. (GM) announced today an investment of $69 million in its DMAX plant in Moraine to manufacture a new Duramax 6.6-liter V-8 turbo diesel engine that will meet stringent emissions standards in 2010. DMAX Limited is a joint venture between GM and Isuzu Motors Limited and was established as a diesel engine company in 1998.

The investment includes renovations to the plant, new machinery and tooling to support manufacturing of the new diesel engine. Renovations are expected to begin immediately. As a result of the investment, the DMAX plant will retain over 1,000 jobs.

"GM is transforming its committed to continuing to product portfolio to reduce fuel consumption and emissions across its portfolio and around the world., and the 2010 Duramax diesel is an integral part of that transformation, as well as a component of GM's strategy to diversify vehicle energy sources," said John Buttermore, GM Powertrain vice president of global manufacturing. "This new investment demonstrates GM's commitment to continue to invest in technologies that reduce the impact of our vehicles on the environment, while maintaining performance attributes required by customers in the areas of towing and hauling loads."

Today's announcement brings GM's total investment in the State of Ohio to more than $1 billion over the last two years.

"Our investment in the DMAX joint venture is a significant vote of confidence in our employees and IUE-CWA Local 797, who have demonstrated their commitment and dedication to benchmark performance in safety, quality and efficiency required in today's competitive business climate," continued Buttermore. "This joint venture is one of GM’s great examples great example of what can be achieved with a successful global partnership and I extend my appreciation to the leadership of Isuzu for their commitment to the success of this operation."

Buttermore also thanked Ohio's leaders on the federal, state, county and local levels, including Ohio Governor Ted Strickland, Lt. Governor Lee Fisher and the Ohio Department of Development, Montgomery County Board of Commissioners and Moraine Mayor Leonard Johnson, for providing the business case to support GM's investments in Ohio.

"General Motors' continuing investment in its Ohio manufacturing base demonstrates the strength of our partnership and Ohio's competitive business climate," said Ohio Governor Ted Strickland. "I commend GM for investing in our state and the technologies that put Ohio at the forefront of clean vehicle manufacturing."

The 2010 model year 6.6-liter V-8 Duramax diesel will use a selective catalytic reduction NOx after-treatment system with a diesel particulate filter to help achieve the 2010 Tier 2 Bin 5 and LEV 2 emissions standards, and it will be compliant in all 50 states.

GM first introduced the Duramax diesel in the U.S. in the 2001 model year, and since then customer enthusiasm for this heavy-duty diesel has been outstanding. In fact, GM's heavy-duty pickup truck market share has jumped nearly tenfold in the seven years that Duramax engines have been offered.

The award-winning Duramax 6.6-liter V-8 is a four-valve high pressure common rail direct injection diesel currently equipped with a diesel particulate filter to meet the stringent 2007 emissions requirements. Available in GM's Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra heavy-duty pickups, the engine delivers a segment-leading 365 horsepower (272 kW) and 660 lb.-ft. of torque (895 Nm). It is also offered with increased power and torque for the Chevy Kodiak and GMC TopKick medium-duty applications. Versions are available with 300 horsepower and 520 lb.-ft of torque, as well as a new 330-horsepower option with 620 lb.-ft. of torque. The Duramax is also available in GM's full-size vans, Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana.

In the DMAX joint venture with Isuzu Motors Ltd., GM owns 60 percent and Isuzu 40 percent. The 584,000-square foot DMAX plant employs 1,195 hourly and salaried employees with annual production near 200,000 engines. Hourly employees are represented by the IUE-CWA Local 797. In April 2007, DMAX produced its one millionth Duramax diesel engine.
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