Originally Posted by SDFever (Post 3257448)

Yeah, believe it or not, Dodge/Cummins pickups actually have some pretty big caveats. One that comes to mind is the fact that unless you buy the standard, you're gonna put a pretty expensive transmission in that thing if you're doing any "REAL" towing.

Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 3257464)

Just going to point out some incorrect information, depending on your definition of expensive :

Dodge's dont need an expensive fully built transmission to pull heavy, in most cases a beefier triple disk torque converter ($1000-$1300) and a valve body with higher line pressure ($500-$700) is all you need. This goes for old and new models.

Originally Posted by boatntrkr (Post 3257359)

i drive in the hill country and mountains in my big truck (cummins equiped 2010 pete with a 13spd), out east/west/north/south/hot/cold/rain/shine/etc etc, i have NEVER had a dodge keep up with me when pulling grades. Dmaxs and powerstrokes only. Im not biast (although I own a LBZ 4x4 dually) all 3 have their good and bad. get your head out of diamlers azz and open your eyes dude. The reason they buy dodges are because they are cheap trucks. Why pay more for something your going to abuse. same reason people buy freightliner (which dodge and frieghtliner are owned by the same people), its a cheap truck that will get the job done. just sayn

Originally Posted by SDFever (Post 3257470)

Of course, circumstances will vary by quite a bit but i know of at least 6 Dodges that I can remember where the repairs were a lot more than $1,800.

Obviously, it could have been abuse, neglect, etc and in some cases a shop could be charging more than they should to drive up ticket cost especially when they think the customer can't or won't find out.

I've seen some Allisons like the one in my truck go bang too and that is costly as well.

Money is relative ain't it?

Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 3257480)

Shops will take the path of least resisitance, especially if they have someone who doesnt know better. I've had 3 Dodge/Cummins now ( 95/02/05 ), and I added what I listed to them. I've never had a transmission failure, and my GWR's have all been between 23,000 to 26,000. I'll gladly spend 2Gish to have a near bullet-proof set-up when it comes to a powertrain.

Anyway, I do still like the stats and the look's of the '11 GMC dually's...may have to stop down and take a closer look at one.

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3257473)

You realize his automatic response is "Cummins/Dodge" no matter what the question. There doesn't seem to be any point debating.

We all have our biases here, but some seem a bit beyond reason.......

Originally Posted by SDFever (Post 3257448)

And the one thing you absolutely can't seem to understand is that everything you read on the internet is not necessarily true just because someone put it there. There is no assurance that because you were able to find a link that it somehow makes it factual.

Respectfully, how many trucks have you owned? Driven? Towed with for long distance? How many repairs have you endured? How may sets of tires have you personally bought after extensive consideration and comparison based on actually using and wearing them out?

You defend your ideas (most that I've read) based solely on what you read and you base your opinion of a truck on the idea that you owned one at some point.

Have you ever owned or towed any trailer that could max out the vehicles ability? Have you ever towed anything across the country more than once? Have you ever owned a truck like what you're talking about long enough to see "major" repairs come due?

You always do the majority of the talking but respectfully I never see, hear, or read where you've done much "doing".

All 3 of those trucks in question have some pretty serious issues when you crunch the purchase prices, maintenance and failures. Yeah, believe it or not, Dodge/Cummins pickups actually have some pretty big caveats. One that comes to mind is the fact that unless you buy the standard, you're gonna put a pretty expensive transmission in that thing if you're doing any "REAL" towing. So what did you tow and for how long?

Hey no one is perfect but it's frustrating to have people like you always running the pie hole and you've never really done much of anything except get enjoyment out of using a keyboard to stir people up.

I've engaged you several times to debate a topic but you never really finish anything. As soon as it gets down to facts or experienced based discussion, you're gone because you apparently have none.

So what's the deal? You owned a truck and you liked it so it's more powerful than anything else?

Personal feelings aside, over the last two to three years, you've destroyed any credibility you ever had with anything but you keep coming back as if to imply that anyone who reads your posts would ever care about anything you say.

Everyone here already knows that you think the Dodge is the best truck ever. No problem. Why keep up with the reminders? No one cares. It's a lonely world.

Aren't you old enough by now to be able to share experience rather than repeating what you read or what someone told you?

I don't know man. Just sayin'.

Now feel free to come back on the attack and call me to the carpet. I'll be honest.

Originally Posted by SDFever (Post 3257490)

I checked out the 2011 in South Bay. I think the Chevy's are having a lot of trouble with the new emmision stuff on it.

Be sure to ask about if you are interested at all. Under that hood is pretty busy.

I did see the urea tank for the exhaust. Crazy.

Originally Posted by bill63 (Post 3257801)

I just bought 2011 3500 hd dually and have no problems with emmisions, yes need to put urea under the hood no big deal. I got rid of my 3500 ford , chevy much nicer truck IMO and i am a ford guy having owned many.

Originally Posted by Jassman (Post 3257847)

What year was the Ford...you are comparing old platform, motor and tranny vs new...and when the new Dodge comes out they have the new Ford and GM as a benchmark to improve..