Im hearing 380hp and 770-775 torque.. They are the lightest as of now of the three, so that it puts it right there on the perf. end. Supposedely they are beefing up their frame with new material that is lighter and stronger so weight will only go up slightly. Interior has been freshened in 10 so that will remain the same, a few tire and wheel changes, larger brakes, and a beefier grill

may ford is/was 2008,, fuel milage on it was poor it took me 10 stops to fuel pulling the founain 34 cc from detroit to fort myers every 2 hours stop, with the 2011 chevy is took 5 stops. chevy pulled it great the jake brake on the gm was awsome through the mountains.. the new fords and rams are great but i am now a chevy guy... btw the brakes on the ford suck...

Again your comparing the 6.4 Ford against what you have now which is a great truck..and a new platform and new generation diesel..,,the 08 6.6 Duramax was slightly better by .5mpg vs the 6.4 Ford.. I had both 08 Ford and Gmc diesels, traded in for 11 250, 350 Ford and 2500Gmc. The new diesels from both Ford and GM are vastly improved in all areas, from mileage, towing and comfort.

Does Dodge and GM offer something like the F450?

Yes they do. The Ram 4500-5500 comes in cab and chassis only so you would have to buy an aftermarket bed.

http://www.allpar.com/trucks/chassis-cab.html

Ferd!

there is no substitute.....



never mind.. that was Porsche':grinser010:

gas vs. diesel
 

Just thought that I'd repeat what I read in a diesel mag (don't remember which one) debating the need for a diesel vs. gas. The article read "calculating all costs, from the higher purchase price to the higher registration fees, higher fuel prices, etc., the purchase of a diesel over a gas engine is unwarranted unless you pull a minimum of 15,000 lbs at least 7,500 miles per year". Don't know if there is a lot of truth to this, I don't tow that much weight or nearly that far yearly but I did buy a diesel mainly for the incredible pulling power and also the "cool" factor.

Yeah well who gives a rat's patootie what the diesel mag pundits have to say. Diesel fanatics know why they buy them.

I grew up in the town where they started the test from (Silverthorne). Been over that pass like 10k times. It is a pretty narly grade, i mostly tow snowmobiles over it. The next pass is Vail an that is steeper on the west side. My parents used to pull our 24 searay over with a 6 cylinder f150 at around 20mph. Cool test.