I'm sure the Cummins is great. Only problem is that its in a Dodge.

As to axle ratios, when I bought my 2007 FX4 there was a substantial lowering of the towing limit with the 3.55 axle ratio from the 3.73. This was according to the Ford Towing Manual which gives specific figures for whatever truck and equipment that you buy. I went with the FX4 with the 3.73 axle and I've been very pleased with the result. Tows 8000 lbs loads very competently. I wouldn't even consider a 3.55 axle ratio for heavy towing purposes. Actually, the FX4 has stiffer suspension components that I have found to work great while towing.
As to choosing the EcoBoost V6 or 5.0 V8, I have driven both and I believe that the higher fuel mileage of the EB is about the only major difference. Of course, you are paying a dollar premium on the EB so you will have to determine whether the better fuel mileage will warrant the extra cost.

Meh. I think that's reaching a little. Title says he's going with Eco and wants to know if Max Tow is worth waiting for. Doesn't ask for opinions about the two motors. I think he's made his mind up on the motor based off wording in the title.

I do work for the dealers every day in my business. They/Ford has given better incentives on the 5.0 since the two engines were released. That's nothing new. They're trying to build value in the Eco line of engines. Ford has done that for years with their vehicles. Nothing new.

Mileage gains or losses versus initial investment mean nothing to me when you compare the difference in towing capacity. The Eco just makes dang good torque at a VERY low RPM. Saying the torque doesn't mean anything is no different than saying a Diesel doesn't pull better than a gas engine. It's contradicting.

Having said all that, the 5.0 is a phenomenal engine package without question. Ford has an impressive lineup in their half ton trucks with both of these engines as an option.

Buck

IDK where the gas hog comes in, unless your driving with a lead foot, then the turbos are going to drink fuel for you. But I get 16.7 city and almost 21 HWY get 14.4 towing 9500lbs going 60 and 13s going 68mpg. 5.0 is a great package but you dont get the same capability. And diesels are diesels they will tow better everytime, but if your looking at cost a diesel has to get about 30mpg to start saving money even at 3-4mpg better diesel is going to cost you money to run. You dont buy diesels to save money you buy them for capability. But do the math on cost of ownership of a diesel truck and you lose every time, but if you need you need it.


Anyways back to ordering. I ordered my 11 about this time back in 11 so it was a late 11 but was being built on the same line as 12's. I got 4 grand off in incentives and another 3-4 for invoice, brought a 40k truck down to 32ish. As far as your trade have them lock in a number now, like I said order now and your truck will be here in 6-8 weeks

Not sure about the Fords but on many brands the 1500 series trucks have tires with less ply's and your trailer will wag at anything over 50mph. I would assume with a tow pkg that the tires are also upgraded. All that aside.. Do yourself a huge favor and get a 2500 or 250 . Just better from the start.

Chris

Disagree I tow 60-68 without any wag with 9500lbs. But you are correct most 3/4tons but not all come with load range E tires. The eco comes with load range D which is 8 ply instead of 10 ply, the load rating per tire on the D tire for the eco is 2600 a peice.

Well soldier
My numbers were like this it would cost me roughly 115-125 to fill depending on price, right now it's around 1.30 per liter for 87 octane, the diesel is virtually the same cost per liter and it's about 125$ to fill her up and it plays out like this

F150 fx4 eco I would get roughly 550 kms to a tank
2500 Cummins I am getting 800 kms to a tank

I'm not biased to any manufacturer either the 150 is a beauty truck but the numbers speak for themselves
Enjoy your Ford and I will enjoy my dodge but I am saving a couple hundred bucks a month in fuel over my old eco

Well there's your problem...all your damn math is metric...lol. :evilb:

Yeah that had me. Really Gas is about $4.6 per gallon in Canada right now at least in ontario, Diesel is only about 10 cents more a gallon up there.

Paintman Im not arguing a diesel isnt better or even comparing brands. All I am saying is cost wise you lose on a diesel just about every time, specially in the US with diesel prices. But I will lay it out in US dollars. The numbers used might be different in other areas, but the overall calculation is pretty close.

In the US Diesel is roughly 30 cents more a gallon, I have seen it as high as 50 cents more and as low as 25 cents more. But we will use 30 cents. On mileage we will use 12,000miles. Gas prices we will use $3.7 for gas and $4 for diesel. For a half ton we will use average CITY and HWY MPG of 17, diesel we will give the advantage and say average is 20, which isnt true, but will still prove the point.

Half ton with fuel for 12k miles will cost you $2608 a year in fuel, three oil changes at $35, one air filter at $20, total cost of ownership for on year is $2733 minus major repairs.

Diesel will cost you $2400 a year in fuel, three oil changes at $100 each, one air filter at $60, two fuel filter changes at $60 each time, total cost of ownership for one year is $2880 minus major repairs.

So the diesel is going to run you more, enough to make a difference probably not whats a $100, but with the formula 20 avg is being very generous for the diesel and likely is at least 3-4 miles less which bumps up that $2880 figure. My 08 Diesel avg was 13mpg regardless which bumped my annual cost of ownership up to $4080 a year which is roughly 35% more than my eco. And thats not factoring my registration and insurance premiums were higher on a older diesel.


This math was done factoring in new trucks when doing the math. Now a diesel could win if you got an old cummins that you paid 12 grand for then I could see where the math works, but thats not really a fair comparison. Also when you compared your eco to a disel as far as milege on one tank were you look at a 25 gallon tank vs a 36? Because my eco can go 425 miles on a 25 gallon tank and my old diesel went 468 maybe a little more on one 36 gallon, but thats not an accurate measurement.


Then you have to think about the capital investment, a like trim model diesel is going to cost you roughly 10 grand more in just buying it. And if we go by your math if you save 200 a month on fuel its still going to take you 4 years to break even on a new diesel, but I dont think you have a new one, if you do let me know as saving 200 bucks a month on fuel in comparison to a half ton I want in. New diesels are not going to do that good on mpg with DPF. But even if a diesel were to get 30mpg it would save you roughly 700 bucks a year driving 12k and would still take you 14 years to break even on buying the diesel. And if you make diesel fuel cost the same as gas and say it gets 20avg mpg its going to be less than $100 a year cheaper in ownership, and take you 100 years to recoup your investment.

Again this is factoring buying new and new when doing do, you can play with the numbers all you want on a new truck to new truck you just cant make it work. Vehicles are not investments, and if you need one you need one, or if you just want one. But theres rarely an occasion where you can make the math work on it. Again I have no problems with diesel, brands, your truck my truck, not the point I was making.

And we are talking about boating and towing, which is not a cheap adventure at all, and if you cant handle it, dont sign up. But seperate from boating, egos, etc. a 2013 1/2 ton vs a 3/4 diesel the 1/2 ton will win every time in the cost savings department.

Yes I did get a brand new 2012 2500 slt, ( obviously a leftover) and did receive no diesel upgrade charge, + about another 3000 in incentives

Do all the math you want...I've got nothing to gain or lose other than repeating my self
But I will try one more time, same amount to fill both trucks up at almost the same price, today around here diesel is .03 cents cheaper - and I'm going to try and be clear as possible - I'm getting 350 kms more (220 miles) per tank

Maybe I had a bad eco boost!! And a real good cummins!!!

Anyways the point of the op is getting lost, he asked for the opinion on the eco motor ( and yes buck my bad - with max tow) and all I was saying is while your at it check the 5.0 liter as well, seems like the people that have em love em