Wide Trailer or High Overall Height - Need Trailer Advice
01-27-2018 | 08:21 AM
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I would think having to keep a 10' wide trailer off the shoulder and off the rumble strips or center line of any road other than the interstate would take a lot of concentration and you wouldn't be able to move over much for semis and other large oncoming traffic. I trailer a 13 wide boat twice a year with a 8'6" trailer and it's hard enough to get around curbs etc.
01-27-2018 | 10:28 AM
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Just did a cross country over width 400SS. Its a pita! Permits each state, You must get a CDL and a usdot-non commercial ##. It was still worth it but not just hook um up and go. The 13'6" is almost non negotiable. Truck stop canopy's, wires, sign arches, everything is set up for 13'6'' clearances. You can bury your boat in the trailer but must clip the bottoms of the cross beams. The fender to top of tires can be set closer and the bunks lowered. The lower the drop axles you may drag the frame on certain ramps. Its a fine line whats good for bridge clearance vs will it launch? Mine is set at 19" keel to ground. Please be sure to go 17.5 trailer tires. These are commercial lowbed tires that will give you great service vs 16"s. Newer 16" trailer tires are crap. The overall tire height is the same.
01-27-2018 | 08:29 PM
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[QUOTE=fossil fuel;4607083]Just did a cross country over width 400SS. Its a pita! Permits each state, You must get a CDL and a usdot-non commercial ##. ..../QUOTE]
I just hauled my 12' beam, 13' high cruiser a couple months ago (Bloomington to Lafayette for the OP) and only needed the $20 OSW permit. No CDL required if hauling your own personal boat. Just a current DL, banners for truck and boat, and flags. Went online to the state Motor Carrier site, registered for an account, then applied for the OSW permit. Filled out all the info about tow vehicle, length, widths, weight, heights and distance of axles spacing and approx weight at each axle. Also listed the route I wanted to travel. Was approved within a couple of hrs. Didnt cross a state line, so only needed the IN permit.
I just hauled my 12' beam, 13' high cruiser a couple months ago (Bloomington to Lafayette for the OP) and only needed the $20 OSW permit. No CDL required if hauling your own personal boat. Just a current DL, banners for truck and boat, and flags. Went online to the state Motor Carrier site, registered for an account, then applied for the OSW permit. Filled out all the info about tow vehicle, length, widths, weight, heights and distance of axles spacing and approx weight at each axle. Also listed the route I wanted to travel. Was approved within a couple of hrs. Didnt cross a state line, so only needed the IN permit.
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01-28-2018 | 01:49 PM
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went on monterey's site, that boat is beautiful, congratulations.
too bad the roof couldn't be lowered by way of the arch going down into some pockets in the cockpit sides, and only down to
the cockpit floor, sliding down and back same angle as the arch, the front supports could pivot since motion isn't straight up and down.
but the loss of space and cost of the mechanism probably doesn't warrant it.
nobody wants it until it's invented tho and then it's game on.
it used to be 2 trim cylinders hosed clamped together to raise the engine hatch, now it's polished hi end stuff with led lights all over it.
as far as cutting it down, glass dave (oso member) would be the go to guy for that, what's the headroom now 8 feet
too bad the roof couldn't be lowered by way of the arch going down into some pockets in the cockpit sides, and only down to
the cockpit floor, sliding down and back same angle as the arch, the front supports could pivot since motion isn't straight up and down.
but the loss of space and cost of the mechanism probably doesn't warrant it.
nobody wants it until it's invented tho and then it's game on.
it used to be 2 trim cylinders hosed clamped together to raise the engine hatch, now it's polished hi end stuff with led lights all over it.
as far as cutting it down, glass dave (oso member) would be the go to guy for that, what's the headroom now 8 feet
Im waiting on a measurement from my salesman but it looks to be atleast 8'. Even if I could cut down 6"-12" it could make a huge difference. The only issue then would be the fact that it comes standard with a full camper isinglass enclosure (The other 2 this was a several thousand dollar option) and I would have to sell it and have a custom one made to match the new hardtop height.
Go wider not taller, but I would first look harder at a fold down arch or some way to modify the boat, the over width and height issues just ruin the fun.
While building the trailer please please look deep into ordering custom axles with larger bearings and brakes and a "derated" suspension. For example if you require 3 7k axles get 3 12k but with 7k torsion rubber. Same ride and the bearings and brakes will last. These trailer parts are all JUNK, and they can get away with it cause the average person doesn't tow much. EOH disc brakes or course and more tire and wheel than you need also.
Good luck keep.us updated
While building the trailer please please look deep into ordering custom axles with larger bearings and brakes and a "derated" suspension. For example if you require 3 7k axles get 3 12k but with 7k torsion rubber. Same ride and the bearings and brakes will last. These trailer parts are all JUNK, and they can get away with it cause the average person doesn't tow much. EOH disc brakes or course and more tire and wheel than you need also.
Good luck keep.us updated
Regarding the axles, it is speced with triple 7k lb torsion axles with 6 wheel EOH brakes. The full weight with full gas and water is 15,216 lbs. The trailer weight is 3,748 lbs so capacity is 17,252 lbs. Even with 500 lbs of crap in the boat, there is 1,500 lbs of extra capacity. We have 4 Mycos currently that I have trailered all over the place back and forth from Indiana to Florida and never once had any issues.
is there the ability to run an air line? Can the trailer be built to keep those clearances and use air bags?
The road widths will vary as much as height clearances will vary. As mentioned, it's far easier to watch the road width than height issues. On bags, when you do come to a possible height issue, a dump valve in the cab will allow the air to be dumped for brief periods and this can gain you an additional 4 to 5 inches of clearance. used to do this with the fuel tankers going underneath gas station canopies. The canopy wasn't the issue in most cases...it was the light fixtures hanging from the canopies.
And, although a serious pain in the backside, in a pinch, with a compressed air on board, you can always let some air pressure out of the tires for short distances...that will pick up another couple inches
The road widths will vary as much as height clearances will vary. As mentioned, it's far easier to watch the road width than height issues. On bags, when you do come to a possible height issue, a dump valve in the cab will allow the air to be dumped for brief periods and this can gain you an additional 4 to 5 inches of clearance. used to do this with the fuel tankers going underneath gas station canopies. The canopy wasn't the issue in most cases...it was the light fixtures hanging from the canopies.
And, although a serious pain in the backside, in a pinch, with a compressed air on board, you can always let some air pressure out of the tires for short distances...that will pick up another couple inches
Just did a cross country over width 400SS. Its a pita! Permits each state, You must get a CDL and a usdot-non commercial ##. It was still worth it but not just hook um up and go. The 13'6" is almost non negotiable. Truck stop canopy's, wires, sign arches, everything is set up for 13'6'' clearances. You can bury your boat in the trailer but must clip the bottoms of the cross beams. The fender to top of tires can be set closer and the bunks lowered. The lower the drop axles you may drag the frame on certain ramps. Its a fine line whats good for bridge clearance vs will it launch? Mine is set at 19" keel to ground. Please be sure to go 17.5 trailer tires. These are commercial lowbed tires that will give you great service vs 16"s. Newer 16" trailer tires are crap. The overall tire height is the same.
[QUOTE=US1 Fountain;4607157]
Just did a cross country over width 400SS. Its a pita! Permits each state, You must get a CDL and a usdot-non commercial ##. ..../QUOTE]
I just hauled my 12' beam, 13' high cruiser a couple months ago (Bloomington to Lafayette for the OP) and only needed the $20 OSW permit. No CDL required if hauling your own personal boat. Just a current DL, banners for truck and boat, and flags. Went online to the state Motor Carrier site, registered for an account, then applied for the OSW permit. Filled out all the info about tow vehicle, length, widths, weight, heights and distance of axles spacing and approx weight at each axle. Also listed the route I wanted to travel. Was approved within a couple of hrs. Didnt cross a state line, so only needed the IN permit.
I just hauled my 12' beam, 13' high cruiser a couple months ago (Bloomington to Lafayette for the OP) and only needed the $20 OSW permit. No CDL required if hauling your own personal boat. Just a current DL, banners for truck and boat, and flags. Went online to the state Motor Carrier site, registered for an account, then applied for the OSW permit. Filled out all the info about tow vehicle, length, widths, weight, heights and distance of axles spacing and approx weight at each axle. Also listed the route I wanted to travel. Was approved within a couple of hrs. Didnt cross a state line, so only needed the IN permit.
01-28-2018 | 04:16 PM
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I applied for the permit myself online thru the state Motor Carrier Service. Its not as bad as I thought originally. Did make a few phone calls to the MCS office in Indy and they were as easy as can be as far as explaining the info require on the permit. A lot of estimating, as long as you don't go over the limits. Doesnt have to be exact, just not over.
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01-28-2018 | 08:51 PM
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Still not enough axle bearing.......
look at the rear axle, suspension, and brakes of a half ton pickup and then look at a weak azz 7k trailer axle, what a joke!
I would at least do triple 8k (same inner bearing as 7k but larger outer bearing) but the ticket really is the triple 10, 10hd, or 12k with 7000lb rated torsion rubber.
look at the rear axle, suspension, and brakes of a half ton pickup and then look at a weak azz 7k trailer axle, what a joke!
I would at least do triple 8k (same inner bearing as 7k but larger outer bearing) but the ticket really is the triple 10, 10hd, or 12k with 7000lb rated torsion rubber.
01-29-2018 | 07:57 AM
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Still not enough axle bearing.......
look at the rear axle, suspension, and brakes of a half ton pickup and then look at a weak azz 7k trailer axle, what a joke!
I would at least do triple 8k (same inner bearing as 7k but larger outer bearing) but the ticket really is the triple 10, 10hd, or 12k with 7000lb rated torsion rubber.
look at the rear axle, suspension, and brakes of a half ton pickup and then look at a weak azz 7k trailer axle, what a joke!
I would at least do triple 8k (same inner bearing as 7k but larger outer bearing) but the ticket really is the triple 10, 10hd, or 12k with 7000lb rated torsion rubber.
01-29-2018 | 10:58 AM
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Maybe you don't put on as many miles as I thought you were going to, maybe you are just lucky, no biggie either way but I can not stress enough about how confident I am with this subject. Myco is not perfect and they have many reasons to do what they do but that doesn't mean that there's not a better way. If Myco is God then there's no reason for this thread just ask them.
Its funny how trailers are always the least important. People will put so much into a boat, into a tow rig as a bandaid for an improperly built trailer, but the trailer is whats actually doing all the work! Its pretty simple cut and dry, trailers are under built and over priced junk, that's just simple fact. The brackets are universal pieces made in china, NEW Dexter axles come with Chinese bearings and seals, I can go on and on and on but I am really running our of patients trying to help people that really don't want to listen.(no offense to you personally). To me its like common sense when you look at a trailer and its parts, how much stress they are under vs what they are rated for compared to a simple half ton pickup rear axle and suspension. I could write paragraphs explaining every mathematical detail but it all comes down to money and the gamble that most people do not put many miles on.
At least go triple 8k axles for the larger bearing
Dexter Disc brakes center pin clip falls out allowing the pads to fall out and the pistons to hit the rotor.....$280 for a new caliper alone, so some RTV it in, Some swap to a coter pin, some replace with a nut and bolt. (Dexter was looking into an update)
Put oil bath seals in grease axles (Sydwayz taught me this, theres a reason they are $35 instead of $3)
14ply or higher tires if 16"
17.5 wheels and 16ply+ are even better
Make sure the wheels are actually rated for more than enough
EOH Disc Brakes
Full Size battery for break away instead of that little jet ski junk
The list can goes on just depends how much money you really want to spend. I sincerely hope everything works out good for you! Please post pics once its finished!
Its funny how trailers are always the least important. People will put so much into a boat, into a tow rig as a bandaid for an improperly built trailer, but the trailer is whats actually doing all the work! Its pretty simple cut and dry, trailers are under built and over priced junk, that's just simple fact. The brackets are universal pieces made in china, NEW Dexter axles come with Chinese bearings and seals, I can go on and on and on but I am really running our of patients trying to help people that really don't want to listen.(no offense to you personally). To me its like common sense when you look at a trailer and its parts, how much stress they are under vs what they are rated for compared to a simple half ton pickup rear axle and suspension. I could write paragraphs explaining every mathematical detail but it all comes down to money and the gamble that most people do not put many miles on.
At least go triple 8k axles for the larger bearing
Dexter Disc brakes center pin clip falls out allowing the pads to fall out and the pistons to hit the rotor.....$280 for a new caliper alone, so some RTV it in, Some swap to a coter pin, some replace with a nut and bolt. (Dexter was looking into an update)
Put oil bath seals in grease axles (Sydwayz taught me this, theres a reason they are $35 instead of $3)
14ply or higher tires if 16"
17.5 wheels and 16ply+ are even better
Make sure the wheels are actually rated for more than enough
EOH Disc Brakes
Full Size battery for break away instead of that little jet ski junk
The list can goes on just depends how much money you really want to spend. I sincerely hope everything works out good for you! Please post pics once its finished!
01-29-2018 | 11:15 AM
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Maybe you don't put on as many miles as I thought you were going to, maybe you are just lucky, no biggie either way but I can not stress enough about how confident I am with this subject. Myco is not perfect and they have many reasons to do what they do but that doesn't mean that there's not a better way. If Myco is God then there's no reason for this thread just ask them.
Its funny how trailers are always the least important. People will put so much into a boat, into a tow rig as a bandaid for an improperly built trailer, but the trailer is whats actually doing all the work! Its pretty simple cut and dry, trailers are under built and over priced junk, that's just simple fact. The brackets are universal pieces made in china, NEW Dexter axles come with Chinese bearings and seals, I can go on and on and on but I am really running our of patients trying to help people that really don't want to listen.(no offense to you personally). To me its like common sense when you look at a trailer and its parts, how much stress they are under vs what they are rated for compared to a simple half ton pickup rear axle and suspension. I could write paragraphs explaining every mathematical detail but it all comes down to money and the gamble that most people do not put many miles on.
At least go triple 8k axles for the larger bearing
Dexter Disc brakes center pin clip falls out allowing the pads to fall out and the pistons to hit the rotor.....$280 for a new caliper alone, so some RTV it in, Some swap to a coter pin, some replace with a nut and bolt. (Dexter was looking into an update)
Put oil bath seals in grease axles (Sydwayz taught me this, theres a reason they are $35 instead of $3)
14ply or higher tires if 16"
17.5 wheels and 16ply+ are even better
Make sure the wheels are actually rated for more than enough
EOH Disc Brakes
Full Size battery for break away instead of that little jet ski junk
The list can goes on just depends how much money you really want to spend. I sincerely hope everything works out good for you! Please post pics once its finished!
Its funny how trailers are always the least important. People will put so much into a boat, into a tow rig as a bandaid for an improperly built trailer, but the trailer is whats actually doing all the work! Its pretty simple cut and dry, trailers are under built and over priced junk, that's just simple fact. The brackets are universal pieces made in china, NEW Dexter axles come with Chinese bearings and seals, I can go on and on and on but I am really running our of patients trying to help people that really don't want to listen.(no offense to you personally). To me its like common sense when you look at a trailer and its parts, how much stress they are under vs what they are rated for compared to a simple half ton pickup rear axle and suspension. I could write paragraphs explaining every mathematical detail but it all comes down to money and the gamble that most people do not put many miles on.
At least go triple 8k axles for the larger bearing
Dexter Disc brakes center pin clip falls out allowing the pads to fall out and the pistons to hit the rotor.....$280 for a new caliper alone, so some RTV it in, Some swap to a coter pin, some replace with a nut and bolt. (Dexter was looking into an update)
Put oil bath seals in grease axles (Sydwayz taught me this, theres a reason they are $35 instead of $3)
14ply or higher tires if 16"
17.5 wheels and 16ply+ are even better
Make sure the wheels are actually rated for more than enough
EOH Disc Brakes
Full Size battery for break away instead of that little jet ski junk
The list can goes on just depends how much money you really want to spend. I sincerely hope everything works out good for you! Please post pics once its finished!
I didn't realize that a $35k + trailer means a trailer is not an important piece of this package or that it's an inadequate trailer? I've never worried about price on these trailers, have always gone above and beyond on ordering them. If I did not care about the trailer, I would go with a random Loadmaster or equivalent. I don't think I have ever seen a cabin cruiser style boat (Other than maybe Formula and Fountain) sitting on a Myco. Most are sitting on generic production trailers.
FYI, this trailer is speced with 6 wheel EOH brakes, group 31 battery, 17.5" wheels with J rated 215/75R17.5 tires. That is 4,805lbs each so total of 28,830lbs capacity. Plus 2 spare tires, 2 spare hubs, etc etc.
