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We had this discussion before you purchased the boat Bill. I agree with you that there is no excuse for this. Any and all holes / penetrations in a boat should be sealed with resin and well caulked to prevent water infiltration. Only makes sense, they go in the water. Steve builds a stought hull, he needs to pay more attention to the details. Having been around his boats for many years and seeing many things like this that are just plain sloppy and a lack of quality control, is what soured me on his product. I thought you told me you had already fixed the soggy transom. A lot of work for the sake of a few bucks saved on proper sealing of a few holes.

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I have removed the engines and drives and all of anything and everything to re do the transom completly from the top to the bottom so that it is one solid piece instesd of a patch near the exhaust pipe holes,I am also making some other major changes with the boat. :drink:

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:) :)

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HHHMMMMMMMMM....... Am i crazy or do i remember someone saying that they were going to the FOUNTAIN FOURM,and never coming back to the mean mean VELOCITY FOURM.

Bye the way Bill i hope the major changes have nothing to do with the graffics. I love the way YOUR boat looks.

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You are fortunate that you have the ability, and the facility, to do this work yourself, it's not an inexpensive fix. Good luck, let me know what you find when you get the transom cut open. And what are you planing on changing ?

On the gas deal, don't feel alone Bill, I ran out the first season with the boat as well. Found out that the only reading on the gauge that is accurate is "E". Anything else is up for interpertation. The Fountain is the same way, if you used half a tank getting there...... you're not going to get back home on the other half.

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I agree with that, I love the way "HIS" boat looks as well !!!

HHHMMMMMMMMM....... Should I say this, what the he!!....... Would seem that your memory and your finances are very similiar, they both come up a little short. Sorry to hear your new boat deal didn't work out for you.

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Wow what a thread. TF that is some funny stuff I don't Billy is ever gonna live that down.

I've gotten couple calls asking why I haven't posted yet, well...

Just like just about every V owner I love my boat and the brand. Every builder has there problems.

Caulk and finish the holes, Better fit and finish, Update the dash, keep the 280 (at least until I order a new one).

Velocity tends to go with the less used brands...pick the main stream power and drive options.

Finally, the factory should build a 41 with big sterlings or 1075 merc and 6 drives. Test it and publish the result so the world can see how they stack up with the other builders.

I've only ever owned Velocity's, so I don't know any other perspective but it sure seems like "other brand" owners hate the product.

"Can't we all just get allong"

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Where's the fun in that Steve???

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QUOTE :RAGED EDGE "HHHMMMMMMMMM....... Should I say this, what the he!!....... Would seem that your memory and your finances are very similiar, they both come up a little short."

Yea, kinda like when your out boating and a VELOCITY blows bye you,and then you find out it has the same power.

You come just a bit short.

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Post #83. Now that's some funny chit. Good one Brian. Sorry Bill.

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I'm taking a guess here, would you be Steve that bought Bill's / Hyper's 280 from me after I took it in trade on the 32 ?

Anyway, I don't think "other brand" owners hate Velocities, I had mine for a long time before selling it to Bill and had a lot of fun with it. The soggy transom and drive issues were just more than I was willing to deal with in terms of both time and dollars, and after eight seasons I was ready to move on. And though I was ready to see it go away, I was 100% honest with Bill in regard to the issues, he no doubt will vouch for that. And, if you are the Steve I think you are, you also should vouch for the fact that I'm am a pretty straight up individual, and did all that I could to help you into that 280, at a pretty fair price as well. I find it odd that some here find fault with any that leave the fold for another brand, and become so defensive when they/we state the reasons why. The drive issues had nothing to do with Velocity, the soggy transom was definetly a Velocity issue, one that in "My" mind there was no reasonable excuse for. In "My" mind how would I purchase another one and be confident that it would not suffer from the same issue, or some other issue that would compromise the the boat I had "My" hard earned money invested in. Why would some take issue with the fact that I made what "I" consider to be the better choice for "Me". Way too defensive in "My" opinion. This deal is nothing more than the Chevy vs. Ford thing, buy what you like, what you can afford to own and run, and realize that everyone else has the same right to make that choice as well. My choice was a Fountain, find fault with that if you wish, but it was "My" choice to make, and for "Me" it has been the right choice, and will most likely be the next choice as well. No issues, nothing but wax it, run it, and enjoy it. And is that not what we spend all this money for ?



Oh Thong, so far I've not met up with that equal sized and powered Velocity, so I don't really know how that would feel. Maybe some day, but not yet.

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Raggededge,

I'd like to point out a few things regarding the way people have been treating you in the velocity forum. You seem to have multiple personalities when you post. One day you come in here and start bashing velocities on threads that aren't about bashing. You call owners out in public on things like boat names and finances. Then, you come in and make a semi-rational post like the one above and expect to be taken seriously and respectfully. "Whoa is me, everyone is picking on me just because I don't own a velocity anymore and because i'm critical of the brand." I believe we are all critical of the brand, as we would be about any brand. No one has produced the perfect boat yet, or we'd all own the same one. I honestly don't care what kind of boat people own, everyone purchases their boat for their own reasons. But I don't go into their forum and start attacking them or the brand. I have heard you come into this forum on a weekly basis and rant about the same crap. We got the message. Its the same people everyday who read this forum. No need to repeat yourself every week. If you post rationally, on new information you may eventually earn some respect from the others in this forum to the point where they may take you seriously on occasion. Until then, why don't you stick to the fountain forum or make an effort in this forum to add value instead of instigating people.

r,
Lance

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Hey Guys
This post has generated some very valid information in regards to changes and or options you'd like to see in the Velocity line, let's keep going in that direction. I spoke to David yesterday at Velocity and he is now following the thread, as GM at Velocity he is very interested in what we have to say.

Paul

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Oh Thong, so far I've not met up with that equal sized and powered Velocity, so I don't really know how that would feel. Maybe some day, but not yet.[/QUOTE]

Your right i was giving you to much credit.I shouldn't put you in the same class as VELOCITY. Being a fountain owner you would have trouble keeping up with one of these........

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:) :)

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Hey Dave if your really following this thread i say..........

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[QUOTE=century29]Raggededge,

I'd like to point out a few things regarding the way people have been treating you in the velocity forum. You seem to have multiple personalities when you post.

RAGGED EDGE when he's off his meds............

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Peter your right it's me.

I agree you did call out the issues and gave me a good deal on the 280.

back to topic...Since the factory is listening.....Can you provide the info on the alledged retirement of the 280?

I love the hull and I don't think the 290 is a comperable repleacement. power for power, in my experience, the 280 perfomrms better. The VR-1 is more or less a sitdown and in a different class.

Pound for pound there is not a 26' hull that compairs. Make the updates that will need to be done for the 260 anyway and keep it availibe

my opinion

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I thought so, good to hear from you. And thanks for the supportive comment. You got a nice clean boat, Bill did a good job taking care of it and you own it right. Worked out well for all of us.

Most of the time I would consider myself to be only very disappointed in finding the water issue with the transom, but will admit that at times I do get a little more upset over that, it was a large purchase to make, as are all of these toys. Manufacturers do need to look to their current owners for the direction in which they need to take their product, and to change things their buyers have a problem with. For any company the repeat buyer is one of their biggest assets.

And I agree with you on the 280, it's been the best of the line and most popular since it was introduced.

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Yes Peter we did disguess the boat very much so and it was exactly what you said,now if I can get Steve to fix it for free that would be even better :rolleyes:
Now on a more seriousnote,I also would like to see Velocity put some serious power in a 41 with #6 Drives and not all of the cheese cake that have been in his last several projects as well as lay it up with the lightest and new space age materials and lets see what the numbers it will put on the board,I think that alot of people would be amazed.I know Mark at Hutchinsons has one but from what I have heard it has a very heavy Lay up and a full heavy interior,not that I would not want it for myself but it runs big numbers as it sits.I just think if Steve wants to get some serious attention he needs to put himself in the Medias face with a light bad ass HOT ROD.
I also agree with the 280 as being probably one of if not the best all around bang for the buck.Dont get rid of it,great boats.

As far as how people are treated I think sometimes people need to have thicker skin and laugh a little more except when it comes to Mr Thorough,now he is just a PERSON WHO RUBS ALOT OF PEOPLE WRONG.As for Thong Boy,he is out of control especially with his gas can antics :D

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I only kid because i love Bill.:) Please call me if you need a hand with your boat,if I'm availible (chris is going under the knife and is going to need my help around here) but you know you can count on me to give you a hand if you need it.

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Hey thong
Just curious, why the derogatory gesture made towards dave? In my dealings with both dave and Steve they seem to be not only interested in our comments and commited to making positive changes but are both stand up individuals.

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I dont think those comments were meant for Dave or Steve,I think he was telling them what he thinks of the other brand as well as Pete.or I cant resist telling me how much he really does love me.Brian I hope Chris will be OK,if you need help with anything let me know.You never know I might be calling you when it comes to laying all of the new Fiberglass,that sh*t totally eats me up.

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OOHHHHH NO in no way would i bash dave or MR Stepp. That was toward MR Edge and his choice of water travel.

In other words F%$K Ragged Edge and his FOUNTAIN.

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What ever you need bill if i'm able i'll be there.

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[QUOTE=1HYPER1]Yes Peter we did disguess the boat very much so and it was exactly what you said,now if I can get Steve to fix it for free that would be even better :rolleyes:


Good to hear you still feel that way Bill, I hope the repairs turn out well, you have a real project ahead of you, and all for the sake of a little bit of resin and a couple tubes of caulk and someone actually paying attention to what's hapening on the production floor. If you can get Steve to stepp up and fix it for free your are a better man than I am.

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Chit I picked up on that right off, perhaps if you had gotten more of Reggie's balding head into the picture more people would have understood where you were going with this. What I really want to know is how you talked your Mother into flippin' off Reggie in the first place.

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I say things how they are............My boat is a peice of ****!!!!!! I dont know why people are taking it soo personal.

Ive been thinking about it and the only thing i can think of that i said to any one about velocity that you could possibly take this personal ..." is me telling a potential customer that the market on the 320's is very soft right now" other then that i got nothing.

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Thorough the only reason your boat is a piece of **** is because you beat the Sh*t out of it,ABUSED AND ABUSED it and killed it,and then you have enough balls to put down the product when in reality you should only point the finger at yourself.So if you are man,fess up or shut up and TMB. :mad:
As for your comment about 320s market being soft,I know nothing about it,but I do know this,if your boat is as big of a piece of **** as you,you or your boat are not worth a FU**.As for me I also tell it like it is and will do it to a persons face unlike you. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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hey i use my boat like every one else on OSO does. You have no idea how i drive my boat. There def is problem with the way it as built. Apprently you have an issue with your transome whos to say that you didnt F it up with the way you use it and its not the issue of no caulk or resin in the at the exuaghst holes ro what ever it is that may have causeed the problem ? No body !?! I dont see any one jumping down your throat about it.

Im guesing your under the impression that i said your boat is a POS? If thats true that would be a pretty funny statement for me to say when i was more then willing to take it on trade not to long ago.

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Hey Thorough,first off,my boat is not a PIECE OFF ****.IT IS INDEED A GREAT boat,it might have a little dampness in the transom but not totally rotted out like you might think but I am a person who wants it correct so I will make it that way.I might run my boat hard or I might not but one thing is for sure I dont abuse my boat to the point where I am Fuc*ing it up/Like You/and I can also tell you this for a fact and anyone can tell you this that knows me,I have forgotten more about boating and also how to deal and talk to people as well as taking care of my equipment than you will ever know,you are just a snot nosed little wannabe.I will cahallange you right know to see who will back me up in reference to what has been said about charactor,knowledge and personal and I know for a fact who will come out on top because we both know that you are clueless when it comes to boats as well as how to deal with people and the number one thing is you LIE and I do not.As the previous owner of your boat stated,when I sold the boat it was in perfect condition and I no that to be true because I was on a run with him and it looked brand new as well as it ran great the entire weekend.Also lets see here on the Velocity forum or any other forum for that matter who thinks that you are full of crap and everyone knows that you are a jack of all boats and a master of none of themAlso lets here out of your mouth how bad you beat your boat,hit rocks.beached it as well as just abused it.I would also would be willing to bet that you have just about mastered,Well nothing except BLOWING YOUR OWN HORN.OR YOURSELF. :mad:

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Easy she the mother of a VELOCITY owner. I can see that were going to have a hard time getting rid of you again. Trying to suck up isn't going to work everyone on this forum knows what an ass you are.

Kissing HYPERs ass isn't going to repair what you have already distroyed.

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Easy she the mother of a VELOCITY owner. I can see that were going to have a hard time getting rid of you again. Trying to suck up isn't going to work everyone on this forum knows what an ass you are.

Kissing HYPERs ass isn't going to repair what you have already torn apart.

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Well she sure looks like one, she have that "V" shaved onto the back of her head as well? Or is it just shaved on her back?

No need for me to plant a wet one on Bill's transom, someone else has already done that for him, and they were not as honest about it as I was.

What exactly have I torn apart or destroyed here? Not really following where you are going with this one............Your turn.

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Bill, Am I missing something here? What's this all about?

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I was replying back to Thorough that indeed my boat is not a piece of Sh*t like his is because it is indeed a great boat that has not been abused like his,that dude has worn me out.

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Whooooaaaaa...easy..lol..Lets get back on track. I'm curious as to what you guys think of cockpit materials, I have seen some new marine vinyl that has a weave\mesh look used in a few ATs , cig, and spectres and thought it looked great.

Paul

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I think the point being made here is that BEFORE he chooses cockpit materials and drivetrains...

the man needs to make sure that the details of a quality, lasting layup and finishing work of hull and rigging basics are covered!

which in more than one case have not been!

should we tell the story of my X-wife's water damaged boat Peter? :eek:

now don't bash me 'cause I owned 2 myself and had good luck with them, they were good boats to me, but that doesn't mean I have blinders on...

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No,I already heard it and it was not good.Hey Rip is the waterway frozen up there yet.

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nope! earlier this week it was 65* and made me think about a boat ride!