Originally Posted by turbo rr (Post 3822405)

I saw I think a 32 for sale on the way to down to key west 2 weeks ago...didn't get a price on it.

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3822394)

Please don't take this as any kind of correction but most of the old V-bottoms are pretty much the same. The 32 AT and the 33 PP as well. The PP measures 32' and the AT measure 31'6". All boat builders lie about the length. Sorry, but it's the truth. Tell me you've never lied about size.....

Both my boats and Dan's boats had long, straight keels with wider lifting strakes in approximately the same place. If you can get Steve Koss to way in he would explain better.

Why do the handle well and fly so level? Go to your local "rack and stack" and walk under the boats and look up.

Where do the inner lifting strakes end?

A 45' Sonic ends where a 33 Sonics end. Same with Cig and so on and on. But only on the Vees. They stretched the boats but not the lifting strakes (aka WING). Good reason why the porpoise and nose dive all over the place. They have no lift!

Simple reason any good ol' 32 AT or 33 PP will run better with the big boys! We fly level and true.

BTW, before I bought AT I had a 30 Sonic SS and spent time at PP discussing a new 33. But I am 6-1 and slightly larger than Weinstein and just didn't fit. Hence the last 20 years building the ATs.

Done rambling......

B-I., don't give up!

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3822417)

Was the 32 derived from the Cobra, as I believe the PP was? Or are you saying the design principles for both are just similar and ride well?

My 28 flies level, but due to being extremely light and a single it doesn't have the kind of ride a 33 or 32 does. But I love the predictability of the hull, it is like driving a ski boat as far as ease, no tabs needed to get on plane or launch and land flat. Adding in the length and mass of the bigger boats make them pretty great rides for the size in my opinion.

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3822394)

Please don't take this as any kind of correction but most of the old V-bottoms are pretty much the same. The 32 AT and the 33 PP as well. The PP measures 32' and the AT measure 31'6". All boat builders lie about the length. Sorry, but it's the truth. Tell me you've never lied about size.....

Both my boats and Dan's boats had long, straight keels with wider lifting strakes in approximately the same place. If you can get Steve Koss to way in he would explain better.

Why do the handle well and fly so level? Go to your local "rack and stack" and walk under the boats and look up.

Where do the inner lifting strakes end?

A 45' Sonic ends where a 33 Sonics end. Same with Cig and so on and on. But only on the Vees. They stretched the boats but not the lifting strakes (aka WING). Good reason why the porpoise and nose dive all over the place. They have no lift!

Simple reason any good ol' 32 AT or 33 PP will run better with the big boys! We fly level and true.

BTW, before I bought AT I had a 30 Sonic SS and spent time at PP discussing a new 33. But I am 6-1 and slightly larger than Weinstein and just didn't fit. Hence the last 20 years building the ATs.

Done rambling......

B-I., don't give up!

Originally Posted by turbo rr (Post 3822437)

I was wondering about where the 32 was derived from also? Is the beam 8' also?

Also how does the 28 ride compared to a 28 pantera? Similar?

Originally Posted by POWERPLAY J (Post 3822455)

...and at one time someone mentioned the AT and Sonic came from Coyote.

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3822394)

B-I., don't give up!

Originally Posted by turbo rr (Post 3822437)

I was wondering about where the 32 was derived from also? Is the beam 8' also?

Also how does the 28 ride compared to a 28 pantera? Similar?

Originally Posted by Excess (Post 3822683)

but that surprise didn't last long once she really took into consideration the amenities offered by the AT


Ya forgot to mention the Kick ass Paint job and interior styling

Originally Posted by THE 288 KID (Post 3822378)

My heart is with AT

Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3822485)

Sonic and Coyote, yes.

AT no. I won't say, but think of a numeral; MANY, MANY moons ago (long before Active Thunder came to be) when a 25'-ish boat was a monster. :poopoo: No current comparison.

Originally Posted by ajfisher (Post 3822869)

Damn I thought it was with Sunsation? Brings a tear to my eye remembering all those times you were hammered screaming "sunsation nation!" to any and every Sunsation you saw on on the water... :lolhit:

Originally Posted by ajfisher (Post 3822869)

Damn I thought it was with Sunsation? Brings a tear to my eye remembering all those times you were hammered screaming "sunsation nation!" to any and every Sunsation you saw on on the water... :lolhit:

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3822355)

I build them "heavy". Not a resin bucket but a very thorough and expensive lay-up where everything is double bonded and will not come apart. Essentially what we refer to in the bodyshop as a unibody.

The hull design kinda counteracts the weight and gives it speed.

In a different business where we repair and paint/ graphic boats I see failures from some high profile builders that make me shake my head as to why they would be put in a position of liability and warranty for the sake of a few MPH.

There was a period of time where we ran faster and were lighter than many builders but warranty issues made me rethink being the fastest in smooth water to being the most fearless in rough water.

I chose the rough water. Hence a boat that rides very well in rough water but is agile and quick through design. When I land that solid "thump" is all I want to hear.

So the answer to your question really is that it is a wave crusher with a combination of weight and hull design but at the same time fast to hull design alone. DDC patented. I don't see a patented hull design with any of the competition but many will pay $100k+ to get a boat that doesn't handle safely and has warranty issues for a better advertised name.

Why?

Originally Posted by rchevelle71 (Post 3823011)

Pat,

Exactly the reasons when I am able(financially) to move up I will be looking at AT. Even though I have never ridden in one, from what everyone that owns one say's I will not be disappointed, I love the looks, and you are here to explain the reason things are the way they are. So see ya in a few years(or tomorrow if I win the powerball tonight).:lolhit:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 3822633)

I think the 32 beam is 8'4 like most AT's.

I can't give you a comparison between a 28 AT and 28 Pantera, but my 32 AT rides WAY better than my 28 Pantera did in rough water. Both very solid boats, but the AT is so much more comfortable in rough water and I can easily run 15mph faster through 2-4's.

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3823064)

Also can be power related, in mine to run 70 it is LOOSE, trimmed way out. A more powerful twin can get there with a more conservative trim which of course makes it more secure in the rough.

Originally Posted by POWERPLAY J (Post 3823067)

Who was driving? Sure as fuk doesn't run 70 when YOU drive it. Your girl said you get scared around 2800rpm. :eekdrop::thankyouthankyou:

Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3821939)

32AT and 33PP came from the same roots, way back when; but Pat had modified the strakes several times over the years which contributes to different ride charactieristics. I think we can agree to disagree which one rides better. AT and PP were very much so friendly compeitors when the original PP was in play.

The 33AT is a 9/10s scale design of the 37AT; pretty much literally. The 33AT and the 37AT share the EXACT same cockpit dimensions; done on purpose.

The 32AT and 33AT really do not compare. COMPLETELY different boats.

It's also difficult to compare a 37AT 'Offshore' (straightbottom) with a 37AT 'Excess' as layups, materials, weights/densities and other attriutes have evolved in the same timeframes. That said, on paper; 13-15% better speed efficiency step over straight. But we play with the step on occasion as well. :D

I've posted before on the DDC hull, and why it rides different than a straight bottom, AND why it's different and better (and in many folks' opinion) than other step bottom hulls. DDC has the word "duo" in it. Hint: It's two hulls at the same time.

Bones, you have my curiousity piqued. What attribute would you take from a 30 Outlaw and put on an AT? The abundant engine room access? :eek: :drink:

Originally Posted by 509 SC (Post 3823264)

Allright, what's up with all the members that have the red 37 "tiger stripes" boat in their avatar? There's Brian that used to own the boat, there's Pat, who drives it like he owns it :party-smiley-004:, and then there's Mike, who just pays for it! Kind of reminds me when everyone had the Farrah Fawcett poster on their walls. Maybe if Pat would build a couple more, everyone wouldn't have to fight over the same one!:lolhit:

Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3823064)

Was your Pantera a single or twins? That is definitely similar sounding to the difference between my boat and Jay's 33 (32.5 :whistle:).

Also can be power related, in mine to run 70 it is LOOSE, trimmed way out. A more powerful twin can get there with a more conservative trim which of course makes it more secure in the rough.

Originally Posted by 509 SC (Post 3823264)

Allright, what's up with all the members that have the red 37 "tiger stripes" boat in their avatar? There's Brian that used to own the boat, there's Pat, who drives it like he owns it :party-smiley-004:, and then there's Mike, who just pays for it! Kind of reminds me when everyone had the Farrah Fawcett poster on their walls. Maybe if Pat would build a couple more, everyone wouldn't have to fight over the same one!:lolhit:

Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3823299)

What do you have against red ATs? :daz:

Originally Posted by 509 SC (Post 3823366)

Good one! Now let's see the "spy" photos of the latest red 37 in production! :drink:

Originally Posted by 509 SC (Post 3823264)

Kind of reminds me when everyone had the Farrah Fawcett poster on their walls. Maybe if Pat would build a couple more, everyone wouldn't have to fight over the same one!:lolhit:

Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 3823591)

Any WHAT EXACTLY was wrong with Farrah? :lolhit:

Originally Posted by REMEDY (Post 3823609)

Lmao! Wish I knew whatever became of my poster... that's a classic!

Originally Posted by ajfisher (Post 3823623)

Discolored, stuck together, mouth hole poked out.... :D