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Old 08-11-2010 | 06:04 PM
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have you looked at a 41 Saber? Classic style with new tech.
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What are the prose & cons of purchasing the "No Reservation" Apache? Boat looks great and Sterling has a pair of 900's that would potentially provide adequate power. Any comments are appreciated. Owned a 30' Phantom so this is a major upgrade.
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Old 08-14-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ona-Mission
have you looked at a 41 Saber? Classic style with new tech.
What is the new tech?
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Old 08-15-2010 | 05:45 PM
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Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.
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What is the new tech?
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Old 08-15-2010 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ona-Mission
Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.
I'm with you on the Merc end of the new tech. Apache Powerboats are Kevlar and proven extremely durable, obviously they have the correct tech. And if it's a new Apache you want , they can be built also. Saber is a fine powerboat, but I don't believe they are kevlar. Just add money........as always.

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Old 08-16-2010 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ona-Mission
Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.
I disagree about construction, Apache used materials back in the day that have still not been matched. There is nothing advanced about balsa cored saber hulls.
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Old 08-16-2010 | 02:14 PM
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I disagree about construction, Apache used materials back in the day that have still not been matched. There is nothing advanced about balsa cored saber hulls.
What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.

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Old 08-16-2010 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MidOcean
What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.
2000 timeframe 36' (Blue Moon for instance) had biax and vinylester along with non-wood materials and a step which was good for up to 1K-1500 lbs weight savings and 7-10 mph on the water.

I watched one win the NYC SBI race in F-2 class back then...
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Old 08-16-2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Panther
2000 timeframe 36' (Blue Moon for instance) had biax and vinylester along with non-wood materials and a step which was good for up to 1K-1500 lbs weight savings and 7-10 mph on the water.

I watched one win the NYC SBI race in F-2 class back then...
I'm assuming that "back in the day" means mid 80's.
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Old 08-16-2010 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MidOcean
What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.
Thought I recall Steve 1 saying they used a material you can't buy nowadays.
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Old 08-16-2010 | 11:23 PM
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"The Chief" Runs an Honest 80Mph with 6 people and 1/2 load of fuel and we ran 85mph testing props 1 day in summer of 08' 2-3 footers with a borrowed set. Chief 850SC's and Merc 3A drives. I helped Rob do a lot of work on the boat when I worked for him. Full Pleasure 41' Apache, What does Tatonka run? with Chief 980's and No.6's that's a full pleasure as well bigger power and 6's???
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