Apache in the West Palm Beach news
05-09-2004 | 12:56 PM
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From: Boynton Beach FLORIDA!!!!
Carl, They meant thads, Then I told bob Carlson I used to work there, you never saw someone shove their foot in their mouths so fast!!!
Anyway, My stint at UNKNOWN NAME powerboats was short and definately not sweet.
Yes I did alot of bending and flexing for UNKNOWN NAME powerboats only to get more or less shafted pretty quick, but since then, I have realized that maybe this was meant to be, now im back in the IT field where I should be and have been for years.
I work for a stable company that is expanding like mad.
That means stability.
Im happy where I am now and am doing better than i would have been at UNKNOWN POWERBOATS i feel at this point in time since all this other stuff surfaced. (never knew anyof this until this article came out last week)
Bob, Wish you nothing but great success with Chief.
Jason
Anyway, My stint at UNKNOWN NAME powerboats was short and definately not sweet.
Yes I did alot of bending and flexing for UNKNOWN NAME powerboats only to get more or less shafted pretty quick, but since then, I have realized that maybe this was meant to be, now im back in the IT field where I should be and have been for years.
I work for a stable company that is expanding like mad.
That means stability.
Im happy where I am now and am doing better than i would have been at UNKNOWN POWERBOATS i feel at this point in time since all this other stuff surfaced. (never knew anyof this until this article came out last week)
Bob, Wish you nothing but great success with Chief.
Jason
Goodluck to you in the IT business.
05-09-2004 | 05:55 PM
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Re: The Real Deal
Originally posted by Bob Saccenti
Just for the record all assets bought by the businessman from Chicago where purchased legally and each party was represented by attorneys.
The way I see it the businessman from Chicago started out on the right road to success. It’s a shame that along the way he was influenced buy outsiders. They took advantage of the situation by telling the owner that they could and would show him how to operate a successful boat company. (In reality they caused major problems in a few other boat companies that they both worked for in the past) what they saw with the new owner was a cash cow with big pockets and wanted full control of him. They jockeyed themselves into a position by lying and being deceitful telling the owner anything he wanted to hear as long as he kept signing the checks. He never challenged their credentials or ability.
That’s what happens when you let incompetent personnel dictate company policy and control your money. They took advantage of the fact that the owner would disappear for days. When the owner would finally surface and asked what is going on at the factory. The self appointed guardians would tell him anything that he wanted to hear. I was wondering how long that would last.
When I seen what was going on, and a conspiracy with a Dog and Pony show, I FOREWARNED him and decided to exit. Oh yes I do recall the owner saying to me on my departure “Bobby “WE” don’t really need you.” LOL What made them think that I needed him or his company. This guy really needs to get a grip on reality.
The best thing that the owner ever did, unfortunately too late was put a trusted friend in
the front office who happens to be a nice guy. It did not take very long to get the big picture and finally seen what was in trusted to run the company. I understand now that after they sucked the owner dry with out producing anything, except a $$$3M set of unfinished / unproven molds and a pile of excuses.
Now the two god gifts to the marine industry have moved on to start their own boat company and to find other easy prey.
So now the business man from Chicago refuses to take responsibility and except the fact that he had the wool pulled over his eyes by his very own employees and trying to justify the facts he has nothing to sell except tee shirts and hats. Now comes the smoke screen by blaming others for his very own stupidity. If anybody should be getting sued, it should be the two clowns that worked for him for taking his money under false pretense and fraud.
Facts
A McManus owns the Apache Trademark.
B) Eric or myself “NEVER” sold any trademarks to anybody.
C) Mr. $$$3M has one hell of a write off
D) I get a kick out of the ignoramus OSO spokes persons for Mr. $$$3M
E) Palm Beach paper is not all correct.
I guess the man from Chicago learned the hard way if you spit in the wind it usually comes back and hits you in the face!!!
Bobby Saccenti
Just for the record all assets bought by the businessman from Chicago where purchased legally and each party was represented by attorneys.
The way I see it the businessman from Chicago started out on the right road to success. It’s a shame that along the way he was influenced buy outsiders. They took advantage of the situation by telling the owner that they could and would show him how to operate a successful boat company. (In reality they caused major problems in a few other boat companies that they both worked for in the past) what they saw with the new owner was a cash cow with big pockets and wanted full control of him. They jockeyed themselves into a position by lying and being deceitful telling the owner anything he wanted to hear as long as he kept signing the checks. He never challenged their credentials or ability.
That’s what happens when you let incompetent personnel dictate company policy and control your money. They took advantage of the fact that the owner would disappear for days. When the owner would finally surface and asked what is going on at the factory. The self appointed guardians would tell him anything that he wanted to hear. I was wondering how long that would last.
When I seen what was going on, and a conspiracy with a Dog and Pony show, I FOREWARNED him and decided to exit. Oh yes I do recall the owner saying to me on my departure “Bobby “WE” don’t really need you.” LOL What made them think that I needed him or his company. This guy really needs to get a grip on reality.
The best thing that the owner ever did, unfortunately too late was put a trusted friend in
the front office who happens to be a nice guy. It did not take very long to get the big picture and finally seen what was in trusted to run the company. I understand now that after they sucked the owner dry with out producing anything, except a $$$3M set of unfinished / unproven molds and a pile of excuses.
Now the two god gifts to the marine industry have moved on to start their own boat company and to find other easy prey.
So now the business man from Chicago refuses to take responsibility and except the fact that he had the wool pulled over his eyes by his very own employees and trying to justify the facts he has nothing to sell except tee shirts and hats. Now comes the smoke screen by blaming others for his very own stupidity. If anybody should be getting sued, it should be the two clowns that worked for him for taking his money under false pretense and fraud.
Facts
A McManus owns the Apache Trademark.
B) Eric or myself “NEVER” sold any trademarks to anybody.
C) Mr. $$$3M has one hell of a write off
D) I get a kick out of the ignoramus OSO spokes persons for Mr. $$$3M
E) Palm Beach paper is not all correct.
I guess the man from Chicago learned the hard way if you spit in the wind it usually comes back and hits you in the face!!!
Bobby Saccenti
I will concurr (sp?) with what Mr. Saccenti has said. And would also like to point out that all of the rich racing history on the walls at this so called factory are from Bobby Saccenti's racing career. They also have personal effects from all previous people that were involved up to the time of my departure and just decided to keep them as if they were their own.
I have nothing to say but this you should have ran the boat before you cut the plug up!!! Or maybe you did run the plug and the performance just wasn't up to par so you had to one hell of a weenie roast with this state of the art engineering.
Bottom line is this if you want to buy an Apache call Mark McManus and I am sure he would love to build one for you.
Have a nice day.
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05-09-2004 | 06:43 PM
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From: Beautiful Fort Lauderdale www.cheetahcat.com
Sean first off the plug was a digitally straightened Warpath...it will run just Fine!!!
Second the Plug shell was made out of some tooling putty and spray foam, Not a Boat but a shape only.!
Second the Plug shell was made out of some tooling putty and spray foam, Not a Boat but a shape only.!
05-09-2004 | 07:42 PM
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What an interesting thread to read. Amazing stuff.
Bob, call me this week on the cell. Great post. Curious about a few things you said. I'm sure you know which ones.
Steve, Curious as to what you did with the lower strakes. Did you leave them alone and copy them on the cad?
Bob, call me this week on the cell. Great post. Curious about a few things you said. I'm sure you know which ones.
Steve, Curious as to what you did with the lower strakes. Did you leave them alone and copy them on the cad?
05-09-2004 | 07:57 PM
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From: Beautiful Fort Lauderdale www.cheetahcat.com
Hi Pat how are you doing? I pretty much left them alone Position wise.. What happened was they were machined at 3 1/2 " instead of 4 1/2..
the Crew that started on it.. drywall screwed some foam to the sides of them and dura tec"ed over which was a disaster.. ending up in the front like paddles
When I took over we had to remove all that and then simply did a build-Up on top maintaining the CNCed Strake edges as I recall took about a 1/2" of filler I tried to remain as true to the Warpath as passable .. We had a lot of drawings both Hand and Cad.
My Best Regards
the Crew that started on it.. drywall screwed some foam to the sides of them and dura tec"ed over which was a disaster.. ending up in the front like paddles
When I took over we had to remove all that and then simply did a build-Up on top maintaining the CNCed Strake edges as I recall took about a 1/2" of filler I tried to remain as true to the Warpath as passable .. We had a lot of drawings both Hand and Cad.
My Best Regards
05-09-2004 | 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Jayl13
It is a verbal confidientiality agreement, even though I got boned by them, im bound not to say anything revealing about their business interactions ect.
Sucks yes
but has to be that way.
As for the T4, that is just sitting there upside down untouched.
Yesterday they were welding the tubular frame around the conventional V bottom
as far as when they are going to polish it and start laying glass is unknown by me.
I think part of the problem here is that there are alot of variables involved that no one anticipated prior to the company starting up again
How many people lay claim to the name apache
Thad
Bobby
Mark
Todd (guy from hawk power) Cimmino or whatever his name is
and god only knows who else if anyone.
then you have the sets of molds that are floating around.
Sabre
thad
Chief (think they have one of the original 47 molds if im not mistaken??????)
and im sure there are other molds scattered around floating somewhere.
with all of this and all the nightmare press and aggervation the company has taken, i dont know what plan B means but I can say this
if he cant put the name apache on that boat his profits are not going to be as high which i think is whaat he was banking on to begin with.
Factor this into the game as well
Was or IS it the name APACHE that people are following or is it BOBBY?
funny how almost every apache owner out there instntly changed their avitar pic to the chief powerboats avitar upon the announcement of chief powerboats what 1-2 weeks after the miami show?
DIE HARD apache guys changed their avitar and did not even skip a beat.
take that and ask yourself APACHE WHATS IN A NAME?
well the name commands respect of course, they set milestones in the industry
but WHO dictated those milestones/????
That all points back to Bobby not the name.
Hell I or any of you can jump right over to Sabre's website and get an original 41 and you KNOW EXACTLY what the hell it is. Most of us would be PROUD to own one of the 41 sabres too, cause we KNOW what it really is!!!
I dont know what is PLAN B is and i can only offer my observation and not any insider information cause i really dont have too much but in my best guess if he cant put "apache" or "warpath' on the side of those boats, he is going to get hurt moneywise.
Similar situation is that "lightning" in the classifieds on this site,
we know what it is, it looks like a guided missle too, i personally lOVe that boat but honestly do you think it will bring the price tag it has on it? It is a custom one off no one ever heard of it before no name brand.
only one in existance.
still a 41 but who built it? where and which mold did it come from?
Not only are you looking for "the name' and or whats in a name your also looking at WHO IS BUILDING THE BOAT
steve1 hands down created something to be marveled at.
if you saw the work this guy did on these plugs and the T4 you would probbly have ice tea leg!!
but would you want it if it had Glasstron or bayliner written down the side of it?
These are all factors invovled, if they cant put apache on the thing, even though it is more technologically advanced more than 99% of the boats out there in how it will be constructed and was fabricated and lovingly sanded by hand by Steve1 for MONThs AND MONTHS checked 90 billion times with straight edges and everything else, will it be worth what they are asking?
things for sale are only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.
so each individual has to determine, is XXX amount worth it to me to purchase this yes or no?
Do i believe in the company to stand behind the product or do i feel im going to be boned?
this was a part of MY JOB there , to talk to people, to get them to understand that we would stand behind the product, that it would be solid, if it ws not, hell ill take my own dually come pick it up, bring it back here, get it fixed to owners satisfaction or beyond to gurantee a high level of customer satisfaction and to believe in the apache name again.
Too bad im now a manager of IT infrastructure at a custom home builder in Pompano/Ft Lauderdale area.
Craig, as much as i would love to tell you more, i dont know too much since my lay off back in Late Feb.
i still like billy, Richard, tim and have nothing bad to say bout those guys.
I think Thad could have been more professional and discussed this lay off with me rather than have Billy do it.
I hve not talked to thad since my lay off either.
but from what I read in the news paper, he has more than his hands full.
its a shame when you look at it though, he is so close to getting things moving on a more full steam basis and now this comes up and sort of wedges a knife in the side right as full on production is just about able to start.
Jason
PS anyone who gets laid off is bitter at their company, its human nature to be pissed off at that.
but you know what, Im in a very stable company now, I have a great job, working with really good computer technology, cadd stuff everything from architects to mortgage people, everything.
So I am not as bitter as i was cause im making alot more money than i was at Apache and more stability
So maybe this was a good thing (im looking at it as that)
would have been an amazing adventure to work at apache but i guess it was not in the cards
J
It is a verbal confidientiality agreement, even though I got boned by them, im bound not to say anything revealing about their business interactions ect.
Sucks yes
but has to be that way.
As for the T4, that is just sitting there upside down untouched.
Yesterday they were welding the tubular frame around the conventional V bottom
as far as when they are going to polish it and start laying glass is unknown by me.
I think part of the problem here is that there are alot of variables involved that no one anticipated prior to the company starting up again
How many people lay claim to the name apache
Thad
Bobby
Mark
Todd (guy from hawk power) Cimmino or whatever his name is
and god only knows who else if anyone.
then you have the sets of molds that are floating around.
Sabre
thad
Chief (think they have one of the original 47 molds if im not mistaken??????)
and im sure there are other molds scattered around floating somewhere.
with all of this and all the nightmare press and aggervation the company has taken, i dont know what plan B means but I can say this
if he cant put the name apache on that boat his profits are not going to be as high which i think is whaat he was banking on to begin with.
Factor this into the game as well
Was or IS it the name APACHE that people are following or is it BOBBY?
funny how almost every apache owner out there instntly changed their avitar pic to the chief powerboats avitar upon the announcement of chief powerboats what 1-2 weeks after the miami show?
DIE HARD apache guys changed their avitar and did not even skip a beat.
take that and ask yourself APACHE WHATS IN A NAME?
well the name commands respect of course, they set milestones in the industry
but WHO dictated those milestones/????
That all points back to Bobby not the name.
Hell I or any of you can jump right over to Sabre's website and get an original 41 and you KNOW EXACTLY what the hell it is. Most of us would be PROUD to own one of the 41 sabres too, cause we KNOW what it really is!!!
I dont know what is PLAN B is and i can only offer my observation and not any insider information cause i really dont have too much but in my best guess if he cant put "apache" or "warpath' on the side of those boats, he is going to get hurt moneywise.
Similar situation is that "lightning" in the classifieds on this site,
we know what it is, it looks like a guided missle too, i personally lOVe that boat but honestly do you think it will bring the price tag it has on it? It is a custom one off no one ever heard of it before no name brand.
only one in existance.
still a 41 but who built it? where and which mold did it come from?
Not only are you looking for "the name' and or whats in a name your also looking at WHO IS BUILDING THE BOAT
steve1 hands down created something to be marveled at.
if you saw the work this guy did on these plugs and the T4 you would probbly have ice tea leg!!
but would you want it if it had Glasstron or bayliner written down the side of it?
These are all factors invovled, if they cant put apache on the thing, even though it is more technologically advanced more than 99% of the boats out there in how it will be constructed and was fabricated and lovingly sanded by hand by Steve1 for MONThs AND MONTHS checked 90 billion times with straight edges and everything else, will it be worth what they are asking?
things for sale are only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.
so each individual has to determine, is XXX amount worth it to me to purchase this yes or no?
Do i believe in the company to stand behind the product or do i feel im going to be boned?
this was a part of MY JOB there , to talk to people, to get them to understand that we would stand behind the product, that it would be solid, if it ws not, hell ill take my own dually come pick it up, bring it back here, get it fixed to owners satisfaction or beyond to gurantee a high level of customer satisfaction and to believe in the apache name again.
Too bad im now a manager of IT infrastructure at a custom home builder in Pompano/Ft Lauderdale area.
Craig, as much as i would love to tell you more, i dont know too much since my lay off back in Late Feb.
i still like billy, Richard, tim and have nothing bad to say bout those guys.
I think Thad could have been more professional and discussed this lay off with me rather than have Billy do it.
I hve not talked to thad since my lay off either.
but from what I read in the news paper, he has more than his hands full.
its a shame when you look at it though, he is so close to getting things moving on a more full steam basis and now this comes up and sort of wedges a knife in the side right as full on production is just about able to start.
Jason
PS anyone who gets laid off is bitter at their company, its human nature to be pissed off at that.
but you know what, Im in a very stable company now, I have a great job, working with really good computer technology, cadd stuff everything from architects to mortgage people, everything.
So I am not as bitter as i was cause im making alot more money than i was at Apache and more stability
So maybe this was a good thing (im looking at it as that)
would have been an amazing adventure to work at apache but i guess it was not in the cards
J
05-10-2004 | 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Steve 1
Sean first off the plug was a digitally straightened Warpath...it will run just Fine!!!
Second the Plug shell was made out of some tooling putty and spray foam, Not a Boat but a shape only.!
Sean first off the plug was a digitally straightened Warpath...it will run just Fine!!!
Second the Plug shell was made out of some tooling putty and spray foam, Not a Boat but a shape only.!
The plug I saw was not a foam plug but a wood plug and was to be a running plug as told to me. Yes there was also a foam plug but the one next to it was a wood one that was the one I was referring to.
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