It is a verbal confidientiality agreement, even though I got boned by them, im bound not to say anything revealing about their business interactions ect.

Sucks yes
but has to be that way.

As for the T4, that is just sitting there upside down untouched.
Yesterday they were welding the tubular frame around the conventional V bottom
as far as when they are going to polish it and start laying glass is unknown by me.
I think part of the problem here is that there are alot of variables involved that no one anticipated prior to the company starting up again
How many people lay claim to the name apache
Thad
Bobby
Mark
Todd (guy from hawk power) Cimmino or whatever his name is
and god only knows who else if anyone.

then you have the sets of molds that are floating around.
Sabre
thad
Chief (think they have one of the original 47 molds if im not mistaken??????)
and im sure there are other molds scattered around floating somewhere.

with all of this and all the nightmare press and aggervation the company has taken, i dont know what plan B means but I can say this
if he cant put the name apache on that boat his profits are not going to be as high which i think is whaat he was banking on to begin with.


Factor this into the game as well
Was or IS it the name APACHE that people are following or is it BOBBY?
funny how almost every apache owner out there instntly changed their avitar pic to the chief powerboats avitar upon the announcement of chief powerboats what 1-2 weeks after the miami show?
DIE HARD apache guys changed their avitar and did not even skip a beat.
take that and ask yourself APACHE WHATS IN A NAME?
well the name commands respect of course, they set milestones in the industry
but WHO dictated those milestones/????
That all points back to Bobby not the name.

Hell I or any of you can jump right over to Sabre's website and get an original 41 and you KNOW EXACTLY what the hell it is. Most of us would be PROUD to own one of the 41 sabres too, cause we KNOW what it really is!!!

I dont know what is PLAN B is and i can only offer my observation and not any insider information cause i really dont have too much but in my best guess if he cant put "apache" or "warpath' on the side of those boats, he is going to get hurt moneywise.

Similar situation is that "lightning" in the classifieds on this site,
we know what it is, it looks like a guided missle too, i personally lOVe that boat but honestly do you think it will bring the price tag it has on it? It is a custom one off no one ever heard of it before no name brand.
only one in existance.
still a 41 but who built it? where and which mold did it come from?

Not only are you looking for "the name' and or whats in a name your also looking at WHO IS BUILDING THE BOAT
steve1 hands down created something to be marveled at.
if you saw the work this guy did on these plugs and the T4 you would probbly have ice tea leg!!
but would you want it if it had Glasstron or bayliner written down the side of it?

These are all factors invovled, if they cant put apache on the thing, even though it is more technologically advanced more than 99% of the boats out there in how it will be constructed and was fabricated and lovingly sanded by hand by Steve1 for MONThs AND MONTHS checked 90 billion times with straight edges and everything else, will it be worth what they are asking?

things for sale are only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.

so each individual has to determine, is XXX amount worth it to me to purchase this yes or no?
Do i believe in the company to stand behind the product or do i feel im going to be boned?
this was a part of MY JOB there , to talk to people, to get them to understand that we would stand behind the product, that it would be solid, if it ws not, hell ill take my own dually come pick it up, bring it back here, get it fixed to owners satisfaction or beyond to gurantee a high level of customer satisfaction and to believe in the apache name again.

Too bad im now a manager of IT infrastructure at a custom home builder in Pompano/Ft Lauderdale area.

Craig, as much as i would love to tell you more, i dont know too much since my lay off back in Late Feb.
i still like billy, Richard, tim and have nothing bad to say bout those guys.
I think Thad could have been more professional and discussed this lay off with me rather than have Billy do it.
I hve not talked to thad since my lay off either.
but from what I read in the news paper, he has more than his hands full.
its a shame when you look at it though, he is so close to getting things moving on a more full steam basis and now this comes up and sort of wedges a knife in the side right as full on production is just about able to start.

Jason

PS anyone who gets laid off is bitter at their company, its human nature to be pissed off at that.
but you know what, Im in a very stable company now, I have a great job, working with really good computer technology, cadd stuff everything from architects to mortgage people, everything.
So I am not as bitter as i was cause im making alot more money than i was at Apache and more stability
So maybe this was a good thing (im looking at it as that)
would have been an amazing adventure to work at apache but i guess it was not in the cards

J

This is all a bunch of horse**** .... somebody kill this thread.

One question remains in my head though that someone might be able to shed some light on here.

Does Mark OWN any of the molds for the boats?
or does he just have the questionable rights to the name apache?
The article states that Mark has been "building and refurbishing apaches for the last 4 years"
Anyone know the answer to this?

Thanks guys,
Jason

Hi Mike you have Broadband Internet and a Quick time viewer ??

Jay Carl or one of the guys can answer that.

From what I remember there were 2 companies.

Apache Powerboats, Inc. ( I think this one was Kramer's)

and

Apache Performance Boats, Inc. (Saccenti's)

I might have it back wards, but this is what I remember.

I personally feel it doesn't matter what name Thad has on his boats, they will not sell period. I'm sure Steve1 made a good boat, but Thad's PR abilities ruined any chance of him becoming successful in the boat business.

It sure looks like Thad will be the sole owner of Delray's finest 3 million dollar boat.

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Moment of Truth,

I do not know who you are, but you are in the wrong place buddy if you think you can post false accusations about Mr. Saccenti here. Take your **** somewhere else. What's the big Moment of truth?? huh the judges ruling this month????

What documents?

I find it a little difficult to believe that Mr. Allen bought a trademark from someone for 1/2 a million bucks without checking it out first.

Also if I remember correctly Bobby dine't take the money & run. He & Eric stayed on with Thad until they were asked to leave, MONTHS LATER... If they knowingly defrauded Thad, Why did they stay?


Moment of Bull****,

I'm not as clueless as you will think, and have a pretty good idea who you are..

Let it go..., boats aren't for you Go back to Chicago!!


Also Wouldn't it be possible that there were 2 Apache companies that I stated above????

Well it would stand to reason that if Bobby sold Thad the name that didnt belong to him he might as well stick around to see what other stuff this guy would buy!!!!!

Hey Thad I own the Nike Swoosh, interested????

Please don't shoot me Mr Allen...