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Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 05:41 PM

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4400 RPM

62 MPH GPS and climbing fast

1 PSI Boost

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 05:44 PM

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5000 RPM

72 MPH GPS and climbing

Between 2 and 3 PSI Boost

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 05:47 PM

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5300 RPM

Hitting 80 MPG GPS & Climbing fast

3.5 to 4 PSI Boost

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 05:51 PM

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5400 RPM

82 MPH GPS and climbing fast

Between 4 & 5 PSI boost on the gauge

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 05:53 PM

Mostly just cruised at 3200 to 3500 RPM and still breaking everything in gently.

Question for everyone:

What to you perfer to seal up you fittings in the water lines?

Teflon Tape

Pipe dope

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 06:30 PM

I cannot wait to get the new props from Brett at BBlades.

If you run the calculations on different speeds and RPM's above the prop slip is off the charts.

According to Brett you need to consider the stock props a 31 pitch and not a 32 pitch.

I am also playing around with trim and never went more than two steps above neutral. Brett felt I was still trying to overtrim the drives. We'll see how the new props do.

redbud35 04-05-2009 06:42 PM

It looks like your hard work has paid off.

Dock Holiday 04-05-2009 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 2836885)
It looks like your hard work has paid off.

We're getting there buddy.

We have seen 88.1 GPS so far with the stock props. I will be very happy and satisifed when I see 93+ GPS.

I need some more break in time on the engines and drives and I need the new props.

How is your project coming?

JasonSmith 04-05-2009 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2836850)
Mostly just cruised at 3200 to 3500 RPM and still breaking everything in gently.

Question for everyone:

What to you perfer to seal up you fittings in the water lines?

Teflon Tape

Pipe dope

Teflon tape. Pipe dope is too messy.

Baja_man 04-05-2009 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2836850)
Mostly just cruised at 3200 to 3500 RPM and still breaking everything in gently.

Question for everyone:

What to you perfer to seal up you fittings in the water lines?

Teflon Tape

Pipe dope

Typically we use teflon tape for the smaller dia pipe and pipe joint compound for the larger stuff (3/4"and above) and anything gas. Teflon tape is easier and less messy to use for the average joe.

Dock Holiday 04-06-2009 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Baja_man (Post 2836963)
Typically we use teflon tape for the smaller dia pipe and pipe joint compound for the larger stuff (3/4"and above) and anything gas. Teflon tape is easier and less messy to use for the average joe.

Thanks

I have always used teflon tape with good results but it has pipe dope in it now. These are 3/4 NPT fittings on the inlet and exit of the sand strainers and they are leaking from both sides. I plan to pull them off and use teflon tape and see how that works before I start cutting the water pickups or trying to reduce water pressure another way.

They have those pretty blue fittings. Anyone know a good trick to wrench them without marking the finish?

TEAMBAJA 04-06-2009 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2837190)
They have those pretty blue fittings. Anyone know a good trick to wrench them without marking the finish?


http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

http://static.summitracing.com/globa...30402erl_w.jpg

noyzee 04-06-2009 09:47 AM

worst wrench's ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have made 100's of AN lines. my race can and the others i have built all have out fuel systems, nitrous systems, tranny lines etc etc all out of AN stuff. i just redid my hole system with the newer black stuff. i picked up those wrenches a few years bac, ive used them maybe 3 times at most. they are way worse then a basic adjustable wrench

the best, and i meen best way to mess with those fittings is to put 1 to 2 wraps of electric tape around them, then put a squeeze on them with a cresent wrench do your thing, then take the tape off.
this works best from the 100 things i have tryed.


heres my stuff here. not great pics, but just to show that it works


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...tures/brad.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ures/brad1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...17-08_2154.jpg

Dock Holiday 04-06-2009 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by noyzee (Post 2837214)
the best, and i meen best way to mess with those fittings is to put 1 to 2 wraps of electric tape around them, then put a squeeze on them with a cresent wrench do your thing, then take the tape off.
this works best from the 100 things i have tryed.


heres my stuff here. not great pics, but just to show that it works

noyzee

Thank you VERY much for your reply. That exact thought had came to mind and I am real glad to hear it will work. I did not want to invest in tools that I may never use again also.

By the way you do some nice work those pictures are awesome.

TEAMBAJA 04-06-2009 11:34 AM

I personally would have went the tape method figuring Id never need the wrenches again. But, being Offshoreonly I figured someone would mention those wrenches as the "correct" way to do it. :rolleyes:

:drink:

Dock Holiday 04-06-2009 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by TEAMBAJA (Post 2837278)
I personally would have went the tape method figuring Id never need the wrenches again. But, being Offshoreonly I figured someone would mention those wrenches as the "correct" way to do it. :rolleyes:

:drink:

Thanks much appreciated. I have seen them before but still have a problem understanding how they can work and not mark the fittings.

redbud35 04-06-2009 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2836892)
We're getting there buddy.

We have seen 88.1 GPS so far with the stock props. I will be very happy and satisifed when I see 93+ GPS.

I need some more break in time on the engines and drives and I need the new props.

How is your project coming?

Not bad, up to 82GPS. Wouldn't mind trying some shorties. My X diminsion is very conservative. Looking for some rough water, it has been like glass both times out. I would like to be able to top the 84 that Powerboat ran the Shogren 35!

Dock Holiday 04-07-2009 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 2837462)
Not bad, up to 82GPS. Wouldn't mind trying some shorties. My X diminsion is very conservative. Looking for some rough water, it has been like glass both times out. I would like to be able to top the 84 that Powerboat ran the Shogren 35!

You are getting close for sure. Remember that the "Poker Face" boat was did not have a lot of options and only ran 86 to 87 MPH. It was very light weight until they replaced the top deck with a heavier constructed deck when the original cracked.

Where was the Shogren boat tested at? If it was tested in Washington, NC you will NEVER duplicate those speeds. I have several friends that bought new Fountains that came with a certified test speed sheet and not a one of them came close in the real world. Most were tested with one person, minimal fuel, no gear, with the current.

You are right about the flat water. I have seen it rob me of 5 MPH.

Keep us posted.

Baja_man 04-07-2009 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2837190)
Thanks

I have always used teflon tape with good results but it has pipe dope in it now. These are 3/4 NPT fittings on the inlet and exit of the sand strainers and they are leaking from both sides. I plan to pull them off and use teflon tape and see how that works before I start cutting the water pickups or trying to reduce water pressure another way.

They have those pretty blue fittings. Anyone know a good trick to wrench them without marking the finish?

An adjustable wrench works great, also they make a pair of channel locks with flat jaws which work great. You may be able to pick up a rubber insert for channel locks at a plumbing supply store made specifically for plumbing fixtures with soft finishes but would work great for your application. I will see if I can find a link to the product.

TeamShogren.com 04-08-2009 07:11 AM

The boat ran these speeds @ Powerboat test
 
The boat ran these speeds at Powerboat test in Florida and on our own Chain O Lakes in Northern, IL with 525's.

www.teamshogren.com

Fountain & Baja By Fountain

847-336-9037

redbud35 04-08-2009 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by TeamShogren (Post 2838804)
The boat ran these speeds at Powerboat test in Florida and on our own Chain O Lakes in Northern, IL with 525's.

www.teamshogren.com

Fountain & Baja By Fountain

847-336-9037

I hope you didn't take offense to that. It was just a goal I set. Good to know it ran that up there.

Dock Holiday 04-08-2009 02:33 PM

LKN Thursday April 9, 2009

Folks I will be out tomorrow on LKN with Ed Sherrod trying to work out the last few bugs. If anyone is going to be around come over to the Yacht Club and look us up. We plan to be there at 11am and will be at the docks mainly and when we go out to run the boat we will head to the main channel and toward I-77 causeway.

The weatherman says 70+ degrees & SUNNY.

never enuff 04-08-2009 03:15 PM

Ain't tomorrow a work day????? Did you ask Tommie if you could have the day off???? :hitfan:
Jay

Dock Holiday 04-08-2009 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2839213)
Ain't tomorrow a work day????? Did you ask Tommie if you could have the day off???? :hitfan:
Jay

Yes it is but I'm taking it as my holiday. We are forced to keep the business open on both Good Friday and Easter Monday because we have several customers open both days. I give all my folks a three day weekend/holiday but that means I work both Friday & Monday. So when Ed called and told be tomorrow would be the best day jumped at it!

Thanks for pointing that out my friend!:p

never enuff 04-08-2009 09:39 PM

With the number of hours you have been working lately you deserve a day off. I wished I would have worked for a boss that would work so the employees could have an extra day off. Your a class act Mark--both on and off the water:ernaehrung004:
Jay

Dock Holiday 04-10-2009 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by never enuff (Post 2839523)
With the number of hours you have been working lately you deserve a day off. I wished I would have worked for a boss that would work so the employees could have an extra day off. Your a class act Mark--both on and off the water:ernaehrung004:
Jay

Thanks Jay we try to be very fair to our staff. Tommie and I try to cover all major holidays because so many of our folks are much younger and have children and need to be with their families. I try to treat folks like I want to be treated but too many times you get screwed. I just turned on the computer this morning to find a six year employee sent me his notice via email and when I arrived this morning he had already cleaned out his office, left his credit card, phone and key. I guess you cannot make everyone happy all the time. I can only assume he will show up Monday and I can find out what his intentions are.

It's never easy.

Dock Holiday 04-10-2009 02:51 PM

Attn Dave & Adam

Guess who joined us at the lake yesterday?

The one and only Mr. Donzi "Blane Aarup'".

His smile said it all when he looked at the interior and we raised the hatch.

He complemented you both on an excellent job.

Tommie drove down and my local mechanic Ed also joined us all for a nice dinner at the Yacht Club. I finally ran lane off at 10PM last night so I could get home.

He was VERY impressed.

Thank you
Doc

Dock Holiday 04-10-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2830255)
We actually drilled the pick-up holes first, then installed them to mark the leading edge flush with the bottom of the hull. They were cut at 90 degrees to the pick-up tube, so the 15 degree angle of the transom provides the pick-up angle that measured close to 1/4" on the backside. The angle that the photo was taken looks like they are hanging low. Doc, you need some photos taken from a good profile angle to review.

The 36ol (15*) transom angle is more than most Bajas. In comparison the 33ol is 13 degrees.

XT

Dave,

Upon farther inspection by Ed, Blane and myself we all believe that you and Adam but the pickups right where they need to be.

If you are standing behind the boat it appears they are hanging down below the bottom of the boat bot they are actually almost flush with the bottom.

Here are some pictures I took yesterday.

Doc

Dock Holiday 04-10-2009 03:07 PM

Okay all water weaks leaks are GONE.

Problem SOLVED!

Attn Dave & Adam

I have a message for you from Blane Aarup.

Forget the Baja rule of using a maximum of only one inch of tape per fitting!:evilb:

We pulled the sand strainers off completely and checked them over 100%. Then we greased all the o-rings and the bottom and top rubber seal on the filters. Then we covered all the threads heavy with tape and ran the boat.

Not the smallest leak anywhere. The bilge was DRY!

I'm going to send you guys some tape for Christmas!:ernaehrung004:

Doc

Dock Holiday 04-10-2009 03:23 PM

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Ed climbing back in the engine compartment to do his handy work.

The famous words from Ed yesterday where "Grin Factor".

This was his first ride on the boat and he was amazed at how easy we saw 87-88 MPH on flat water.

His professionally trained ears actually heard the blowers over the dry exhaust once or twice. I still have not heard them!

As Blane said with all that was done to the boat the fact we only had a few minor water leaks is amazing.

XT Innovations RULES

sonic69 04-10-2009 11:22 PM

Doc, That boat just keeps getting badder. When are you going to have Clayton give it that total custom look? My work is starting to pick up. When I get out of the woods Clayton is my first stop.

XT-Innovator 04-11-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2840955)
Okay all water weaks leaks are GONE.

Problem SOLVED!

Attn Dave & Adam

I have a message for you from Blane Aarup.

Forget the Baja rule of using a maximum of only one inch of tape per fitting!:evilb:

We pulled the sand strainers off completely and checked them over 100%. Then we greased all the o-rings and the bottom and top rubber seal on the filters. Then we covered all the threads heavy with tape and ran the boat.

Not the smallest leak anywhere. The bilge was DRY!

I'm going to send you guys some tape for Christmas!:ernaehrung004:

Doc

Is Blane still working, or is he hanging-out at your place collecting unemployment checks????

If you remember correctly....it just "killed" Adam that we did not get to water test the boat and fine tune everything, but someone was trying to out-run a snowstorm on the way.

We will use the tape on the next job, since yours is now fixed. LOL

XT:cool-smiley-027:

Dock Holiday 04-11-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic69 (Post 2841271)
Doc, That boat just keeps getting badder. When are you going to have Clayton give it that total custom look? My work is starting to pick up. When I get out of the woods Clayton is my first stop.

Thanks

I am really getting excited about being back on the water this year with all the power. Everyone that sees the boat is amazed at the rigging Dave, Adam & Doug did. Just a couple of other small details and we will be ready to just enjoy. Hopefully the new props will be here next week and once I see that "90 MPH" mark I can relax and say "Mission Accomplished"!

As for the paint job that is one reason I have not posted the renderings. We still hope to do it but this economy is simply not working with us. Clayton is painting one of his first Sunsations right now and the quality of the work he does is nice. As a matter of fact take a look at the bike I am putting together right now. This started as a Harley factory pearl white paint set and Clayton added PPG "Oh-So-Orange" and trimmed it in silver and put the shadows in. I just took these pictures about an hour ago and there was five people in the shop when I got there that are blown away with the paint work. I gave two of them Clayton's phone number.

Dock Holiday 04-11-2009 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2841586)
Is Blane still working, or is he hanging-out at your place collecting unemployment checks????

National sales manager for Donzi

He seems to be happy and enjoying himself'


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2841586)
If you remember correctly....it just "killed" Adam that we did not get to water test the boat and fine tune everything

I know buddy. He emails about everyweek and even offers to come down if I need him. With all you guys did it is amazing that we have nothing to deal with except a few water leaks. And they were an easy fix.

No Worries buddy


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2841586)
but someone was trying to out-run a snowstorm on the way.

Lesson learned I'll stay and party next time until the snow ends!:ernaehrung004:


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2841586)
We will use the tape on the next job, since yours is now fixed. LOL

XT:cool-smiley-027:

Too Funny!:evilb:

JasonSmith 04-11-2009 12:49 PM

Dock, when we are fitting pipe in the landfill or plumbing up anything. Our motto on pipe tape, cleaner, acetone & glue is "Use it like someone else is payin for it". We also say "if a little do a little good, a lotta do a lotta good".

XT-Innovator 04-11-2009 01:06 PM

Doc,

Wait until you seen Adam's new shop here in Bucyrus. I will let him post all the details when he is ready for business, but it will be first class all the way. He will specialize in rigging, and stereo installations as always. We will concentrate on the interiors, and Kevin Brown will still do the fiberglass repairs.

When we did your 36ol, Adam had to take many jobs home to be machined, and we did not always have the tools we needed. That is about to change very soon.

XT:cool:

Dock Holiday 04-11-2009 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2841593)
Dock, when we are fitting pipe in the landfill or plumbing up anything. Our motto on pipe tape, cleaner, acetone & glue is "Use it like someone else is payin for it". We also say "if a little do a little good, a lotta do a lotta good".

You gotta be one of da smartist fellows I know.:evilb:

Well said and VERY true.

Blane and I were busting Dave on the tape because we have nothing else to bust him on. They did a hell of a job.

Dock Holiday 04-11-2009 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 2841599)
Doc,

Wait until you seen Adam's new shop here in Bucyrus. I will let him post all the details when he is ready for business, but it will be first class all the way. He will specialize in rigging, and stereo installations as always. We will concentrate on the interiors, and Kevin Brown will still do the fiberglass repairs.

When we did your 36ol, Adam had to take many jobs home to be machined, and we did not always have the tools we needed. That is about to change very soon.

XT:cool:

Dave,

I'm very excited for you guys. Adam has told me just enough to make be wonder what is going on. Now I have a pretty clear picture. That is awesome and I know you guys will be very successful at it.

Doc

TEAMBAJA 04-11-2009 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2841600)
You gotta be one of da smartist fellows I know.:evilb:

Well said and VERY true.

Blane and I were busting Dave on the tape because we have nothing else to bust him on. They did a hell of a job.

Doc,

I went ahead and got plane tickets for the Ft Myers/Key West trip next month. When I got to the part about renting a car, I had to laugh thinking about the few times I rode with Blaine in a rental and the stories about him in rentals!:drink:

The bike looks awesome! Id like to stop down and check on the Sunsation but I'll admit Im a little scared of going down there!:eek:

Dock Holiday 04-11-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TEAMBAJA (Post 2841623)
Doc,

I went ahead and got plane tickets for the Ft Myers/Key West trip next month. When I got to the part about renting a car, I had to laugh thinking about the few times I rode with Blaine in a rental and the stories about him in rentals!:drink:

The bike looks awesome! Id like to stop down and check on the Sunsation but I'll admit Im a little scared of going down there!:eek:

Greg,

Glad to hear it buddy. That will be a great trip!

Hey I have never riden with Blane in a car before except when I was driving, but I would be a little concerned with a guy that carries his own race suit and helment with him everywhere he goes!

Doc


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