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Dock Holiday 10-26-2009 10:26 AM

Update: October 26, 2009


Well Dock Holiday is spending the winter as a guest of the five star resort in Bucyrus, Ohio known as Checkmate.

For those that are not aware Adam Shook is in business with two partners renting the back side of Checkmate doing business as “Saccenti Marine”.

Adam is one of the most knowledgeable boat people I have been around and a master rigger (with an “R”). I just saw a complete rigging job he finished on a 36 Pantera with new staggered 525’s and it turned out sweet.

I delivered the 36 up to Adam a few weeks ago and he is in full swing with a few projects. First he pulled both engines out and took everything off the transom. He will be installing new IMCO extension boxes with the new IMCO SCX outdrives hanging off them attached to the IMCO transom assemblies with a complete IMCO steering system from the helm back with two rams per outdrive. The goal here is to give the new 825 HP engines all the outdrive they need for reliable operation. The steering is probably over kill but safety is the number one concern.

Then we discovered an unanticipated problem with the new custom one piece rear sunpad / triple rear seat combo. IT IS HEAVY!

The electric hatch actuator will barely lift it and it’s life span is short at best. Adam is a master distributor for Zeiger Hydraulics who is known for quality hydraulic steering systems but they also make a fully hydraulic heavy duty hatch lift system that will handle the load and do it fast.

We knew going into this project that outdrives would be a problem but I was hoping the ones I had would last longer than they did. When we first ran the boat I was on the phone with Mark Boos keeping him updated on the engine performance. I was a little speechless regarding how the boat felt with the new power. He put the correct words in my mouth when he said “It feels LIGHTER doesn’t it”? Well that was exactly how it felt because the weight to power ratio had changed considerably. I had a huge smile on my face until it burst my bubble by adding that I must remember that the outdrives are catching hell.

The wife and I have enjoyed many wonderful hours on the 36 and we are excited about the final phase that should give us a rock solid dependable 90+ MPH true deep vee Baja.

We are planning three poker runs for next year that we have never done before and look forward to being back on the water again.

If you need any serious marine repairs Adam is your guy. He has a beautiful shop set up in the back of Checkmate and he knows his stuff.

Dock Holiday 10-26-2009 10:29 AM

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The package except in shinny gloss black with a satin lower.

Quinlan 10-26-2009 01:15 PM

Very Nice DOCK.

redbud35 10-26-2009 09:05 PM

Good luck with the new drives. You definetly do things first class.

TWIN-SPINS 10-27-2009 08:00 AM

you know,,,we,ll need lots and lots of pics,,,doc

Dock Holiday 10-27-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by TWIN-SPINS (Post 2980245)
you know,,,we,ll need lots and lots of pics,,,doc

Well hopefully Adam will forward some pictures or post them either way.

The engines are out and everything is off the transom and the boat is at Kevin Browns getting the holes plugged in the transom where the old steering was mounted.

I'll keep you posted

sonic69 10-27-2009 06:16 PM

Don't worry Doc my boat is keeping yours company at Kevin's. I didn't want it to get lonely.

Dock Holiday 10-28-2009 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by sonic69 (Post 2980659)
Don't worry Doc my boat is keeping yours company at Kevin's. I didn't want it to get lonely.

:ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:

Mine is very minor almost out patient. How long are you in for?

sonic69 10-28-2009 02:28 PM

Little things no one else would notice. It just bugs me.

Dock Holiday 11-17-2009 01:05 PM

Well all the parts have now arrived at Saccenti Marine from IMCO.

Adam has been extremely busy with other projects but hopefully he will start bolting on hardware soon and will get the engines back in and all buttoned up.

Adam has a really sweet shop and after I saw him convert a 36 Pantera from side x side to full stagger I will say there is nothing that he cannot do.

We need some pictures Adam!

XT-Innovator 12-27-2009 10:54 PM

[QUOTE=Dock Holiday;2991735]Well all the parts have now arrived at Saccenti Marine from IMCO.

Adam has a really sweet shop (because he is always cleaning it!) and after I saw him convert a 36 Pantera from side x side to full stagger I will say there is nothing that he cannot do.

We need some pictures Adam!

Dock,

You want me to sneek over there, and get some more spy photos?


XT

Irishtornado 12-27-2009 11:31 PM

[QUOTE=XT-Innovator;3013086]

Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2991735)
Well all the parts have now arrived at Saccenti Marine from IMCO.

Adam has a really sweet shop (because he is always cleaning it!) and after I saw him convert a 36 Pantera from side x side to full stagger I will say there is nothing that he cannot do.

We need some pictures Adam!

Dock,

You want me to sneek over there, and get some more spy photos?


XT

I'd be interested in seeing some spy photo's it becoming a long winter already...

Dock Holiday 12-28-2009 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 3013086)
You want me to sneek over there, and get some more spy photos?

XT

Sure

Sneeking around is your speciality right? LOL:lolhit:

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 10:56 AM

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Okay Adam and his crew have recovered from the holidays and the work is continuing. Blane with Donzi was in the office last week and we called Adam. I think he has a way of getting Adam going! LOL

Thanks to Greg "Team Baja" we have photo's.

The first is the new Helm. We are installing a complete new IMCO steering system front to back with a power steering pump on each motor.

Saccenti Marine
Bucyrus, Ohio
Adam Shook
937-620-9569
[email protected]

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 10:58 AM

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Transom assembles are installed and transoms were cleaned up by Kevin Brown.

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 10:58 AM

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Extension boxes hung

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 11:00 AM

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IMCO HD transom assemblies are mounted in boxes with steering rams.

Quinlan 01-13-2010 12:02 PM

Looking good Doc.
Question What is the knob below the kill switch in the helm pic? IPS steering ; ) I know it isnt but sounds good.

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Quinlan (Post 3023089)
Looking good Doc.
Question What is the knob below the kill switch in the helm pic? IPS steering ; ) I know it isnt but sounds good.

Thanks buddy

The knob is a ram mount that I connect my Garmin 3206 GPS to.

Smitty 01-13-2010 01:41 PM

Nice !!! 4 rams for the steering !!! That is a serious setup.

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 3023140)
Nice !!! 4 rams for the steering !!! That is a serious setup.

Safety FIRST

I fought steering problems all last season. First thought there was air in the system, then changed the filter, checked the helm and we finally concluded that the inner liner (tube) on one of the hoses was failing and acting like a valve. Nothing worse than running 90 MPH and the steering wheel locks up!

AIR TIME 01-13-2010 02:31 PM

looks good doc, I am waiting for my motor hope to see it in 4weeks, and then the fab work starts on the saber and most likely the 24ol unless I sale it as is. art

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 3023173)
looks good doc, I am waiting for my motor hope to see it in 4weeks, and then the fab work starts on the saber and most likely the 24ol unless I sale it as is. art

Glad to hear it Art. I know you are ready to get back on the water. Good luck with the projects and keep us posted.

P.S. Have you posted any pictures of the Saber?

crayolacrazy 01-13-2010 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3023059)
2010

IMCO HD transom assemblies are mounted in boxes with steering rams.

doc those imco boxes will they raise your x or will it stay the same or what

ndaniels 01-13-2010 07:09 PM

Great thread dock... I've been to Kevin's before to talk about an old boat, I take it you were pleased with Kevins work? I might have a couple of holes to fill in on my 21s transom. I had no idea about Saccenti Marine. Looks like first class work...

sonic69 01-13-2010 07:20 PM

You won't find any better work than Kevin's. He's the man when it comes to glass and gel.

Ebay Ed 01-13-2010 07:50 PM

he done some small repairs on my boat and looking at the pictures it looks pretty nice

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by ndaniels (Post 3023426)
Great thread dock... I've been to Kevin's before to talk about an old boat, I take it you were pleased with Kevins work? I might have a couple of holes to fill in on my 21s transom. I had no idea about Saccenti Marine. Looks like first class work...

I have met some really good fiberglass people but never anyone as good as Kevin. He knows his stuff, he shoots straight, he gives you what you pay for and does not cut corners and he does it when promised. He has done all my work faster than anyone I have ever used before. You will not be disappointed.

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by crayolacrazy (Post 3023376)
doc those imco boxes will they raise your x or will it stay the same or what

Bobby,

Adam did a lot of calculations and when all said and done we will be 1-11/16 inch higher overall at the prop shaft.

The Baja transom is at a different angle than all other brands. I do not remember that angle off the top of my head. The IMCO boxes are really built for the other angle. They are a neutral box and the SCX lowers only come 2 inch shorter than stock.

So the bottom line is while I did not raise the "X" by raising the engines I will end up approximately 1-11/16" higher at the prop shaft.

The big question for the expert you are is "CG". You and I have talked about this a lot and you know that my 36 is a lot diffferent than the 33 in that I don't see a difference by just adding people to the back seat. Any predictions on what this setup will do?

Doc

Dock Holiday 01-13-2010 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Sport 280 (Post 3023421)
Doc, looks great, are the twins getting a little refresh? You keep going and you will have to design a 100 mph club sticker.

Fred

Hey Fred,

How you been doing buddy?

All is good with the twins. We only have 14 hours on them and they have run flawlessly. Adam has pulled the oil pans on both and found why we were having oil leaks and with the help of Mark Boos those issues are resolved and I'm confident we will not have to deal with that again.

If these drives do as promised and we don't go backwards with the boxes we have have to push the boost up and see if we can be one of the very few 36's in triple digits. I don't think we will have enough but you never know.

Take care

Doc

Keith Atlanta 01-13-2010 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3023477)
Bobby,

Adam did a lot of calculations and when all said and done we will be 1-11/16 inch higher overall at the prop shaft.

The Baja transom is at a different angle than all other brands. I do not remember that angle off the top of my head. The IMCO boxes are really built for the other angle. They are a neutral box and the SCX lowers only come 2 inch shorter than stock.

So the bottom line is while I did not raise the "X" by raising the engines I will end up approximately 1-11/16" higher at the prop shaft.

The big question for the expert you are is "CG". You and I have talked about this a lot and you know that my 36 is a lot diffferent than the 33 in that I don't see a difference by just adding people to the back seat. Any predictions on what this setup will do?

Doc

I thought you could get the SCX in -3?

ndaniels 01-13-2010 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 3023497)
I thought you could get the SCX in -3?

The SC can be had in -3, SCX -2 only...

Dock Holiday 01-14-2010 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by ndaniels (Post 3023516)
The SC can be had in -3, SCX -2 only...

That is correct. I can only assume it is because of the larger internals. Larger gears, bearings, shafts, oil capacity, cooling passages, etc. Probably limits just how compact they can make them.

Dock Holiday 01-15-2010 11:09 AM

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Hey Greg you think you and Adam can handle this?

TEAMBAJA 01-15-2010 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 3024647)
Hey Greg you think you and Adam can handle this?

Are you kidding? We love drilling holes in expensive boats! Bring it on! :drink:

Ebay Ed 01-15-2010 01:05 PM

wow they are proud of those things arent $1100.00 each i just about crapped

Dock Holiday 01-15-2010 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Ebay Ed (Post 3024691)
wow they are proud of those things arent $1100.00 each i just about crapped

You can buy them several hundred dollars cheaper$$$$$ than the MSRP.

Do some shopping. I got a really good deal on eBay.

I've seen these on some high dollar yachts and they are fantastic.

I will not be running the light except when parked at dock when we can enjoy it.

Ebay Ed 01-15-2010 01:55 PM

i looked on ebay didnt see any doesnt matter anyways i cant afford them right now any way XT has all of my money LOL

Dock Holiday 01-15-2010 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Ebay Ed (Post 3024729)
i looked on ebay didnt see any doesnt matter anyways i cant afford them right now any way XT has all of my money LOL

If you watch they pop up from time to time. I missed one a few weeks ago that was cheaper than I paid. There is also a deal out in California that had this unit under $800.00 with free shipping that I found searching the web. You just have to shop around. Are they expensive, YEAH but having seen one in operation I think they are worth it. I was also lucky to find the blue color which was my first choice.

sonic69 01-15-2010 03:57 PM

Doc, Adam is putting a set on my boat now. They aren't as high dollar as yours, but I think they will get the job done. He's also doing some led's. That's your fault for posting the pics of yours. I'll let the wife know were to direct her anger for the money spent towards you.:drink:


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