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commandersander 10-17-2014 05:30 PM

The funds that were placed on temporary hold are now available for use (Unique Transaction ID # 31G05378C3213541C)


Original Transaction
Date Type Status Details Gross Fee Net
Aug 26, 2014 Payment From DALE EDINGER Completed Details $200.00 USD -$6.10 USD $193.90 USD


Related Transactions
Date Type Status Details Gross Fee Net
Sep 14, 2014 The funds that were placed on temporary hold are now available for use Removed ... -$200.00 USD $6.10 USD -$193.90 USD

Pwraddr 10-17-2014 07:09 PM

I posted what a joke his response was but decided to delete because anyone with any sense can see this is a joke.

Too bad for the buyer. Seller makes mistakes and he suffers.

buck35 10-17-2014 08:22 PM

If I was more computer literate I would link up what rich tried to do for me a couple weeks ago when we were in Ft. Meyers beach. I'm a small town guy and if someone does me right, or goes out of their way for my benefit, then I have their back ! Hope this ends so all parties satisfied.
Ken

the deep 10-17-2014 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by buck35 (Post 4204987)
If I was more computer literate I would link up what rich tried to do for me a couple weeks ago when we were in Ft. Meyers beach. I'm a small town guy and if someone does me right, or goes out of their way for my benefit, then I have their back ! Hope this ends so all parties satisfied.
Ken

Having ones back is a rare trait now a days . Even rarer is someone that goes out of their way for you . Both commendable . Hope this ends well for both brothers .

tommymonza 10-17-2014 10:31 PM

I am most of the time the nicest guy in the world and 99 percent of the time I would say yes to anything if someone asked me or needed me to help them out or do a favor.

My exwife always said I was too nice and could never say no when in reality I should have. My young employees I had back in the days that were also my friends off work called me a Sucker because of the the way I would go out of the way to help someone in need.

So enough about the good

Now the Bad

I can be irritably noncommunicative If I feel I am entitled to it. Which in the last 5 years has become a ritual

It came from my dad being in the building development business and the phone ringing nonstop until we sat down for dinner and than we dialed 4 and left it off the hook for an hour and from there on he picked it up until 1130 when johnny Carson came on.

But I am a nice guy.Anyone that knows me will tell you

This is how we see it.

The buyer wishes to purchase your inverter that you were selling on your posts here to defend your boat sinking.

A Gentleman here inquires about it and the 2 of you come to an agreement of 200 dollars, but he would pay the shipping. We do not know the payment arrangements or if you mentioned it needs the control board to the buyer.

The buyer makes the payment and assumes he Is going to receive a useable inverter with in a few days of him paying you as you had told him you would ship as soon as his payment was received ?

After the time period that the buyer thought was reasonable had expired to receive the inverter the buyer contacts you and you apologize and say that you have been busy and have not shipped it yet

Buyer is patient with you and accepts your offer to pay the 35 dollar shipping to ship it out assuming he is now going to receive a functioning inverter..

Buyer receives the inverter and it is a bit dirtier than he had hoped for but the kicker is it is missing the control panel so it does not function.

The buyer than tries to contact you to make arrangements to straighten the situation out, but for one reason or another that is not important now ,you do not communicate with him in a timely manner.

The buyer than takes the matter up with paypal figuring you have dropped dead or something since the lack of communication in the hopes he will get his money back or some satisfaction.

You the seller after seeing the hold on your paypal account chose to go on here and present a small problem to the site instead of calling him and offering to do whatever you can do to make him happy because A.you shipped it late and B. you shipped it missing a component so it will not function.

You at no time were ever put out . The 35 dollars for the shipping is on you for not shipping it in the timely manner you had affirmed with the buyer. Water under the Bridge.

Your offer of a 100 bucks is a little to little to late as the saying goes.As the buyer at this point has chose that he would like his 200 back and to be done with the deal.

Being the buyer is a fellow OSO member and doesn't appear to be in the scamming business as either are you, I would give the man the benefit of a doubt and give him his 200 , and another 35 for him to ship it if you want it back.

Remember he did nothing wrong .

He paid you the agreed upon price

You did not ship in a timely manner and than forgot to ship a component to make it functional and than you were out of communication for him to contact you on the matter.

Hey, Just me and that's the way I see it , and the way I would handle it

Nobody's perfect and believe me buddy I am far phuckin from it But some days you have to take your beatings for it.

In the end it all works out.

Wobble 10-17-2014 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4205048)
I am most of the time the nicest guy in the world and 99 percent of the time I would say yes to anything if someone asked me or needed me to help them out or do a favor.

My exwife always said I was too nice and could never say no when in reality I should have. My young employees I had back in the days that were also my friends off work called me a Sucker because of the the way I would go out of the way to help someone in need.

So enough about the good

Now the Bad

I can be irritably noncommunicative If I feel I am entitled to it. Which in the last 5 years has become a ritual

It came from my dad being in the building development business and the phone ringing nonstop until we sat down for dinner and than we dialed 4 and left it off the hook for an hour and from there on he picked it up until 1130 when johnny Carson came on.

But I am a nice guy.Anyone that knows me will tell you

This is how we see it.

The buyer wishes to purchase your inverter that you were selling on your posts here to defend your boat sinking.

A Gentleman here inquires about it and the 2 of you come to an agreement of 200 dollars, but he would pay the shipping. We do not know the payment arrangements or if you mentioned it needs the control board to the buyer.

The buyer makes the payment and assumes he Is going to receive a useable inverter with in a few days of him paying you as you had told him you would ship as soon as his payment was received ?

After the time period that the buyer thought was reasonable had expired to receive the inverter the buyer contacts you and you apologize and say that you have been busy and have not shipped it yet

Buyer is patient with you and accepts your offer to pay the 35 dollar shipping to ship it out assuming he is now going to receive a functioning inverter..

Buyer receives the inverter and it is a bit dirtier than he had hoped for but the kicker is it is missing the control panel so it does not function.

The buyer than tries to contact you to make arrangements to straighten the situation out, but for one reason or another that is not important now ,you do not communicate with him in a timely manner.

The buyer than takes the matter up with paypal figuring you have dropped dead or something since the lack of communication in the hopes he will get his money back or some satisfaction.

You the seller after seeing the hold on your paypal account chose to go on here and present a small problem to the site instead of calling him and offering to do whatever you can do to make him happy because A.you shipped it late and B. you shipped it missing a component so it will not function.

You at no time were ever put out . The 35 dollars for the shipping is on you for not shipping it in the timely manner you had affirmed with the buyer. Water under the Bridge.

Your offer of a 100 bucks is a little to little to late as the saying goes.As the buyer at this point has chose that he would like his 200 back and to be done with the deal.

Being the buyer is a fellow OSO member and doesn't appear to be in the scamming business as either are you, I would give the man the benefit of a doubt and give him his 200 , and another 35 for him to ship it if you want it back.

Remember he did nothing wrong .

He paid you the agreed upon price

You did not ship in a timely manner and than forgot to ship a component to make it functional and than you were out of communication for him to contact you on the matter.

Hey, Just me and that's the way I see it , and the way I would handle it

Nobody's perfect and believe me buddy I am far phuckin from it But some days you have to take your beatings for it.

In the end it all works out.

I have to say that is my read on it too, the give it to charity thing is just another irrelevant distraction.

vintage chromoly 10-18-2014 07:51 AM

Yep, well put tommy.
Complete dick move to continue to jack this buyer off.
Give the guy his full payment back and add 35 bucks if you want the incomplete item back.
This is supposed to be a brotherhood!
Take care of your brother and next time you foul up a transaction, take care of it without a lame drama thread.

Indy 10-18-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4205048)
Hey, Just me and that's the way I see it , and the way I would handle it

Good job, not sure why this ever reached this point. Just doesn't seem to be that complicated of a situation to me. Someone pays for something, they have a right to get it, if not then it turns into a mess.

ICDEDPPL 10-18-2014 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by vintage chromoly (Post 4204405)
exactly!
You sold the guy an incomplete inverter, shipped it late, didn't answer correspondences, started a drama thread and refuse to refund the man.

The next move is to refund the buyer.

Very, very simple!

Bingo!
Isn`t commander sanders sueing 4bus for something too?
Maybe it isn`t the "other" guy, maybe its you?

bck 10-18-2014 09:18 AM

To the buyer- In the future when the "new in the box" item arrives late, dirty, incomplete, 8yrs old and possibly not working will you please remember to cup balls while sucking in your attempt at a refund? To do otherwise causes sellers to grow tired of you and develope principals which they will use to deny making you whole and insult you in general discussion by starting a thread pretending to be the buyer that no one can even understand for the first page in an attempt to cover the fact they were the bad seller. They will do this while you still seem to be in private discussion with them and giving them 2 reasonable ways to make the situation go away. The initial goal of said thread will be help them rationalize the decision they've already made to tell you to f-off by portraying you as the scammer.

Pwraddr 10-18-2014 10:16 AM

The funniest thing about this is the buyer did nothing wrong.....but the seller makes this stupid thread, BASED ON PRINCIPlE! That has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Cliff notes: buyer lists something as complete, buyer agrees to price and pays, seller ships late, not complete, buyer can't get ahold of seller, buyer files a potential claim with PayPal, now seller is pissed and won't make things right.

This is a joke.

offshoredrillin 10-18-2014 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 4199118)
Now you know three!!!!!

For me, the inverter and cash don't mean anything to me.....

ITS THE PHUCKIN PRICIPAL!

The principal is you screwed up and in an attempt to cover it up tried to get the mob on your side first, in my opinion you are now more shady looking. Suck it up buttercup, to err is human to lie and try to cover it up is bull sh!t... shame on you.

pasquesi 10-18-2014 10:53 AM

Seller is a total douche. Principal? What principal? That you sold somebody a hunk of junk after advertising it as NIB?

Wobble 10-18-2014 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 4205225)
Seller is a total douche. Principal? What principal? That you sold somebody a hunk of junk after advertising it as NIB?

I would not go that far. However, there is a problem that can easily be made right. The seller is a USCG Captain so I am reluctent to doubt his intent. Never the less, he needs to re-think this whole issue.



Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 3890235)
A vessel drifting with no one in command at the helm with or without power is classified by USCG as NOC

Not Under Command

And yes, I am a uscg captain.


Speedracer29 10-18-2014 08:42 PM

Holy crap! Did anybody see ICDEDPPL's new avatar?!

It's almost as amazing as this thread going 14 pages over $200...
Ok. It's more amazing.

glassdave 10-18-2014 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Speedracer29 (Post 4205450)
Holy crap! Did anybody see ICDEDPPL's new avatar?!

It's almost as amazing as this thread going 14 pages over $200...
Ok. It's more amazing.

thats the most sense I've gotten out of this entire thread :picard1: . . . . :D

Speedracer29 10-18-2014 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4205454)
thats the most sense I've gotten out of this entire thread :picard1: . . . . :D

If you think this is crazy, slide on over to the Cig section and check out the "Teaser" thread saga! 90-some pages and only one bikini pic! That's like, 90 minutes of my life gone!

This one is titled hypothetical rip off, I completely assumed at some point there'd be hot skanks with ripped clothes, or a "which skank would you rather rip the clothes off" pictorial/survey. Nope! The brethren gotta quit concentrating on the petty things and start concentrating on the sweaty things, or we'll be off the rails by January.

glassdave 10-18-2014 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Speedracer29 (Post 4205456)
If you think this is crazy, slide on over to the Cig section and check out the "Teaser" thread saga! 90-some pages and only one bikini pic! That's like, 90 minutes of my life gone!

This one is titled hypothetical rip off, I completely assumed at some point there'd be hot skanks with ripped clothes, or a "which skank would you rather rip the clothes off" pictorial/survey. Nope! The brethren gotta quit concentrating on the petty things and start concentrating on the sweaty things, or we'll be off the rails by January.


been there . . . . . that kid is his own worst enemy. I understand the youthful enthusiasm, been there done that, hell ive only had like two or three jobs my whole life, self employed nearly since high school. in this biz you cant just tell people what your "going to do" you have to show them what you've already done, you have to put in your time. That thread should be a learning experiance, guess we'll see . . . .


this thread?. . . . painful on multiple levels.

skanks do make most threads better though :D

tommymonza 10-19-2014 01:29 AM

Here you go guys

Speedracer29 10-19-2014 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4205505)
Here you go guys Ask and you shall receive




NIB as You see in the Ad




http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...ps523deefc.jpg





NIB as you have received



. http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0497e1f6.jpg


I'll take the Labatt Blue era Pam, circa 1990.... We'll just leave Post-Tommy/Kid Rock/Hep Pam to the Wellcraft owners. I did see a video years back, looks like she REALLY liked boats!

Wobble 10-19-2014 10:02 AM

Don't click on the pam pic, it tried to load something on to my computer. :(

tommymonza 10-19-2014 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4205594)
Don't click on the pam pic, it tried to load something on to my computer. :(

It shouldn't it is copied into my protobucket

glassdave 10-19-2014 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4205594)
Don't click on the pam pic, it tried to load something on to my computer. :(

how ironic lol . . . . even her pic tried to give you a virus. . . . that is one skanky ho :picard1:

Wobble 10-19-2014 04:42 PM

photobucket is either having a problem with or allowing adware/spyware

tommymonza 10-19-2014 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 4205611)
how ironic lol . . . . even her pic tried to give you a virus. . . . that is one skanky ho :picard1:

Yea her pics are like a Scratch and Sniff from back in the days but with a little extra bonus

daleroger 10-27-2014 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by commandersander (Post 4204905)
Wow guys.....never meant for this to go this way.....

Spoke with icu again about this today when he came by.....he told me to send the panel and be done....

My position has been been and remains about the principle of this.....ummm....gone awry transaction.

Yes....I shipped late....and because of it, I paid shipping. Yes, the control panel is here.....mistakenly left out. I took a position of obstinance ONLY because he filed a claim PRIOR to attempting to communicate with me.

Looked and felt very shady.

In the end, I'm the bigger man. Dale has the inverter minus control panel. Dale or paypal has the money he sent, which by all means was never 200net to me.....the agreed price....

So, I have decided.....that I will not send the panel. Also, I will not refund the 200 paypal has. Additionally, I will not pay for return shipping.

What I will do, only as a gesture of good faith as I harbor no Iill will in this.....

Tomorrow, dale will receive a 100 paypud from me. With it, he can purchase a control panel, or minimize his alleged loss (I don't have his money....email from PC next) or go buy drinks. However, to keep the tally straight my brothers.....

From this side....
Dale (or pay pal) has the original payment
Dale has the inverter
Dale had free shipping
Dale is getting an additional 100 for me being a dick?......I guess?


Almost done guys, but I can't let this B.S. stand. Mr. Sander posted the above B.S , then posted paypals notice that the funds were released to him. ( post 121 ) I just shake my head . $193.90 to be exact. The amount is the $200 less the paypal fee that he was going to add to the shipping, but decided not to, because he shipped it late. ( under the bridge ), but he keeps saying how I'm a dick, and he was shorted.
For the actual record, Rich Sander DID NOT refund me the $100 as stated above, " to keep the tally straight my brothers . "
Sanders Quote " In the end, I'm the bigger man ." God, could you be any more arrogant ?
Should anyone care to check out the "bigger man's" , " NIB Inverter ", here is a link to what I received.

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/da...?sort=3&page=1

Geeez, based on some of the comments, some of you guys must light your cigars with $100 bills.

I know I'm screwed, just wanting to keep it real.

Thanks,
Dale

tommymonza 10-27-2014 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by daleroger (Post 4210035)
Almost done guys, but I can't let this B.S. stand. Mr. Sander posted the above B.S , then posted paypals notice that the funds were released to him. ( post 121 ) I just shake my head . $193.90 to be exact. The amount is the $200 less the paypal fee that he was going to add to the shipping, but decided not to, because he shipped it late. ( under the bridge ), but he keeps saying how I'm a dick, and he was shorted.
For the actual record, Rich Sander DID NOT refund me the $100 as stated above, " to keep the tally straight my brothers . "
Sanders Quote " In the end, I'm the bigger man ." God, could you be any more arrogant ?
Should anyone care to check out the "bigger man's" , " NIB Inverter ", here is a link to what I received.

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/da...?sort=3&page=1

Geeez, based on some of the comments, some of you guys must light your cigars with $100 bills.

I know I'm screwed, just wanting to keep it real.

Thanks,
Dale

Nah

If you go back and read through the last couple pages you will see that most evryone agrees with you now.

As to Commandersander stepping up and making it right . Who knows?

boatnt 10-28-2014 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by daleroger (Post 4210035)
Almost done guys, but I can't let this B.S. stand. Mr. Sander posted the above B.S , then posted paypals notice that the funds were released to him. ( post 121 ) I just shake my head . $193.90 to be exact. The amount is the $200 less the paypal fee that he was going to add to the shipping, but decided not to, because he shipped it late. ( under the bridge ), but he keeps saying how I'm a dick, and he was shorted.
For the actual record, Rich Sander DID NOT refund me the $100 as stated above, " to keep the tally straight my brothers . "
Sanders Quote " In the end, I'm the bigger man ." God, could you be any more arrogant ?
Should anyone care to check out the "bigger man's" , " NIB Inverter ", here is a link to what I received.

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/da...?sort=3&page=1

Geeez, based on some of the comments, some of you guys must light your cigars with $100 bills.

I know I'm screwed, just wanting to keep it real.

Thanks,
Dale

pictures speak a thousand words,,
that sucks,,

Indy 10-28-2014 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4210157)
I don't think you should let this issue slide. IMO seller looked to take advantage of his perceived status on OSO to belittle your situation. Pretty obvious that was a poor decision, best result now is for seller to send you a prepaid ups label and make full restitution. An apology would be a bonus though not likely.

In the end, I don't think commandersander is going to sell much to the members of this site, not sure who'd do business with him after this strange thread.

Wobble 10-28-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by daleroger (Post 4210035)
Almost done guys, but I can't let this B.S. stand. Mr. Sander posted the above B.S , then posted paypals notice that the funds were released to him. ( post 121 ) I just shake my head . $193.90 to be exact. The amount is the $200 less the paypal fee that he was going to add to the shipping, but decided not to, because he shipped it late. ( under the bridge ), but he keeps saying how I'm a dick, and he was shorted.
For the actual record, Rich Sander DID NOT refund me the $100 as stated above, " to keep the tally straight my brothers . "
Sanders Quote " In the end, I'm the bigger man ." God, could you be any more arrogant ?
Should anyone care to check out the "bigger man's" , " NIB Inverter ", here is a link to what I received.

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/da...?sort=3&page=1

Geeez, based on some of the comments, some of you guys must light your cigars with $100 bills.

I know I'm screwed, just wanting to keep it real.

Thanks,
Dale

I don't think you should let this issue slide. IMO seller looked to take advantage of his perceived status on OSO to belittle your situation. Pretty obvious that was a poor decision, best result now is for seller to send you a prepaid ups label and make full restitution. An apology would be a bonus though not likely.

Wobble 10-28-2014 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4210162)
In the end, I don't think commandersander is going to sell much to the members of this site, not sure who'd do business with him after this strange thread.

never been quoted before my post posted, I guess one of us is in a different timeline LOL

Indy 10-28-2014 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4210174)
never been quoted before my post posted, I guess one of us is in a different timeline LOL

I'll have to hone the skill, would come in handy picking lottery numbers.

78CIG24 10-28-2014 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 4210131)
pictures speak a thousand words,,
that sucks,,

Yes they do. Rich, at a minimum you need to refund Dale's $200 and send him a prepaid shipping label if you want the 8 year old incomplete "NIB" unit back..

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...psd5ac1f45.jpg

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...ps59f24696.jpg

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1a30526b.jpg

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5b2ba429.jpg

the deep 10-28-2014 09:04 AM

Disappointing to say the least.........A full refund is due Capt Sander . It is what it is bro and only a true friend will tell you when you have a booger hanging out of your nose . :whistle:

US1 Fountain 10-28-2014 11:02 AM

Looks like it was taken off his sunk boat

Does it even work?

vintage chromoly 10-28-2014 11:24 AM

The fact that the seller would flush his reputation over a couple hundred bucks makes me scratch my head.

Talk about a thread backfire. :eek:

Knot 4 Me 10-28-2014 12:24 PM

"POSIB" would have been a better description. I too would not have been happy receiving that given the item's description.

Craney 10-28-2014 06:00 PM

He should be Banned from selling his parts in the swap section, other people have been banned for the same thing.

boatnt 10-28-2014 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4210459)
He should be Banned from selling his parts in the swap section, other people have been banned for the same thing.

you do have a valid point..

Pwraddr 10-28-2014 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4210459)
He should be Banned from selling his parts in the swap section, other people have been banned for the same thing.


Originally Posted by boatnt (Post 4210489)
you do have a valid point..

I couldn't agree more....and even more so starting a thread like this. This just sucks for the buyer.


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