I do agree with this. We did not pay anymore for our boat buying from Phil or think our boat is worth more money because its a Lip-Ship edition!

I agree. The very FIRST and ONLY number Phil quoted me was very fair and in line with what the other dealer was asking and I very much appreciate that type of straight up approach vs. a BS negotiation. The misconception that your going to pay a lot more is simply not true.

As I wrote earlier there are other great dealers out there... make your decision based on your priorities and enjoy. Personally I'm thrilled with my decision and if someone asks I'll share my opinion based on my own experience.

We can argue this all day long. But, unless you have built several NEW Cigarettes and have visited the factory multiple times during the build, you really don't know what you are talking about.
All Cigarettes are nice, yet not created equal. You probably think I am crazy. But, if you have spent the time and effort and have studied these boats as much as my friends and I have, you will clearly see that MOST of the time, a Lip-Ship boat is just a little nicer. Maybe its the paint or graphics, maybe its one of Phil's new ideas, or maybe the boat is a little straighter (glass wise) or just maybe the boat is a little faster........Anyhow, maybe your non Lip-Ship boat is just as nice, and most likely it is. But, if you want guaranteed best of the best, Phil is your dealer.

WOW, I thought Beak, Indian, and Weather threads were the only ones that got heated!

Apparently Tobacco has issues too!

First off, I don’t think that all other Cigarettes are inferior. Some of my favorite Cigarettes are non Lip-Ship editions. I will however indulge you by saying I feel that having an outside party walk a boat through production is a superior way to have it built. Having someone micro manage every aspect of the build is a superior way to have it built.

Let me compare this feeling for you. If I was to go to my local Ferrari dealer and buy a new Ferrari, that would be awesome! However, if I could have my dealer go to Italy and walk the build of the car through every step and add things here or there that I wanted, or change something here thus making it a little more custom, that would be better. In my opinion of course.

Omertaone is the only one that has come close? You don't get it. There's more to a LipShip boat than meets the eye. It's a package. Just as everyone else has said.

And just because someone advertises on OSO means exactly what? I don’t bad mouth or attack anyone or thing on OSO. And I would definitely not give an opinion on something I didn’t have knowledge of. Speaking of that, have you ever purchased a boat from Phil?

Again, how do I imbellish? You also forgot to ad that the definition includes and is most commonly thought of as lying. How have I lied?

You say that my attitude is in poor taste, however I think that it is your attitude on the subject that is in poor taste due to the fact you have an agenda. I don’t sell boats for another company; I don’t sell boats for Phil. I have no money to be made or lost in this game. I’m just expressing my personal experiences to someone that is looking to purchase a boat. This offends you for what reason? If someone comes on here and pumps up someone and/or business, great! I wouldn’t say anything negative even if I did have a bad experience. I personally think that is in bad taste.

You say “I play the role of the Lip-Ship cheerleader too much”…So be it. I’ve never been treated better in any business arena than when dealing with Phil. And every person I’ve ever sent to him has been treated like royalty. If I can help out someone that is looking for a boat by steering them in that direction, then I consider it a favor to that person.


Let’s just clear this portion of it once and for all: I do not believe that a Lip-Ship Edition boat will bring more money every time. Sometimes it will, sometimes it won’t. As you yourself have stated; some people it matters to. Yea, you’re right. Some people understand and realize what Phil does and want the added attention to detail. If I were selling a used Lip-Ship, I would also put “lip-ship edition” and sell it to that person that is willing to pay more. Yes, it’s an added bargaining chip to the person that it matters too. I never back peddled. I merely agreed that economy and the situation always comes into play. My whole point on this topic is that, unlike other dealers, “Lip-Ship Edition” is a selling point…that’s not a biased opinion, that’s a FACT.

The last point you make…Again, in my original reply, as I tried to point out. The difference is more than just the boat. It’s a total package. I’m sure other dealers can get a real nice stock Cig from the factory. Sh!t, I’d love to have a stock Cig from the factory and think anyone that buys one is privileged. I just don’t see other dealers walking through the build process of every boat they take delivery of. If I’m mistaken, please correct me. So in short, no I’m not implying anything. A Cigarette straight from the factory is an awesome machine. Phil can make it better. I don’t see too many threads that start off with “What’s the difference between ‘so and so dealer’ compared to other cigarettes”…But I do see a lot of praise from the industry (Phil’s boats have been featured in more magazines and won more awards than anyone else) and on OSO as well.

Basically, I can agree to disagree with you. I’m cool with that. You just need to stop hatin’. Sell a boat, don’t sell a boat. I could care f*ckin’ less. But I will continue to express my personal experiences that I have with Lip-Ship when anyone asks.

The only reason his boats are in the mags is because he is in Florida and it able to give the testers the boat. For all the other dealers they have to ship their boats to Florida for testing. It's just because Phil is located in South Florida. If Phil were located anywhere else it wouldnt be the same period!!

I bought a boat from Phil a year and a half ago and actually paid below market value. Nothing is marked up just because it came from him. They don't cost any more just because they came from him. And as for service, I've never seen anything better. In the summer I boat on the West coast, in the Winter, it's Miami. If I need something done to the boat and it can wait, I have Phil do it. Why? Because the prices are better and so is the quality and workmanship. There's some good shops here in the West, but not as good as Lip Ship. And Cigarette is all he works on. And nobody here has the customer service that Phil does. Words don't do him justice, you just have to experience it for yourself. You just can't put a price on this type of service. And you don't pay extra for the special service. Things get done when promised, no excuses. So to the original person that posted the question, just go to Phils shop, talk to him and find out for yourself. Visit the factory and maybe some other dealers and draw your own conclusions. I think the fact that things are a little heated on here should tell you a lot about Lip Ship. Especially if there are actually a couple of dealers or dealer personnel from other companies on here arguing. And I hope that's not really the case.. Because if it is, then I think you know where not to go. That alone should tell you that a Lip Ship Cig, isn't just another Cig...

Listen, instead of doing all this typing why dont you just call Phil up and tell him that you think he has no talent, his boats are the same as everyone elses, and you think hes an *******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not so sure of that. When you are being tested by a national boating magazine, you give them them best boat you have. The factory gets the call and if they wanted to, I'm sure they could send one of their newly finished boats that is in Fl. Instead, they call Phil. Case closed.

I didn't really notice this before, but Fountain40ICBM has that title, and a picture of a Gladiator, that looks like a Lip Ship boat.. WTF? And people are giving him attention because of ????