Now you have my interest, this is some BUDDYOO/Wiggler stuff right here... those I'm not to discuss.... hmmmm
Top Secret Heh?

Yep...Top Secret; all I'll say is that Phil's set-up IS different than the factory set-up.

Regarding the BUDDYOO/Wiggler stuff...I don't appreciate the comparison.

In lieu of the bed the porta potty is moved into the forward section and there are some bins for storage. It is separated from the main cabin by a zip curtain w/logo. I prefer it because it provides a secure place for storage of luggage during poker runs and holds the lifelines otherwise. In the main cabin the benches do not have the thick backs so there is room to lay down on those if you need to. The pic is from the 38 he just built and sold. There's another on his web site.

I have a 39' Top Gun "Lip-Ship Edition" Unlimited For Sale w/Merc, 600's........................the only difference is the embroidery in the cabin by the toilet that says "lip-ship" and the grafix worxs paint and all the lip-ship stickers on the trailer.........and here is Phil's hand on the recall?????

Tank,
You are exactly right about the reason as to why this thread was started. Thus far, the only person that comes even remotely close to answering the question is Omerta One. I am not debating the fact that people may go solely to Phil for his customer service. All dealers have customers that have had better luck with some than others and tend to stick with those dealers. Your “every other Cigarette is inferior” attitude is in poor taste, considering the company you are in. Basically, showing respect is one thing, but showing disrespect is another. After all, there are other paying advertising Cigarette dealers on OSO.

How do I feel you embellish a bit when it comes to Lip-Ship's? Well Tank, embellish is defined as: to heighten the attractiveness of by adding decorative or fanciful details. You do just that when given the opportunity. The point is, at times I feel you play the role of the Lip-Ship cheerleader a little too much.

In regards to your comment about Lip-Ship boats demanding a higher dollar on the used market, I still disagree and don't understand where you are coming from. You posted that there is a reason why the market demands a higher $ amount for Lip-Ship Editions, you then go on to say, "when and if you go to sell a used Lip-Ship Edition, you have an added bargaining chip to deal with." So, I may just be some stupid, inbred, tooth-less ***** from Missourah that's trying to get into a pissing match and pump up my buddies business at the same time, but the way I interpret that is "Lip-Ship Editions bring more money on the used market".

I'm also not arguing the fact that many including myself often include the fact that a boat is a "Lip-Ship Edition" in their classified ad. Like I said before, to some it matters, to some it doesn't. In all honesty, from my experience, most could care less. You, once again, state that being a Lip-Ship Edition demands a higher price or a quicker sale, you then back peddle and say whether someone pays that price ALWAYS determines on an assortment of issues. FYI Tank, that goes with any deal. I could demand, as you say, $20k more than the market will bring for my 1997 24' Baja SST, but that doesn't mean squat, unless I find someone who wants it bad enough. My point is that you can demand whatever your little heart desires for whatever you are trying to sell, but bottom line....it will only bring what the market will allow. BTW, I don't see any facts to back up your claims… all that I see are your biased opinions.

Then you go on to say, "where in the original question does it ask for input on any other dealers?" Well, I'm no Einstein, Tank, but I think it would be pretty safe for one to assume that when comparing a Cigarette to a "Lip-Ship Edition" Cigarette, that obviously the non Lip-Ship Edition Cigarette is going to have to come from another dealer. So, in fact, it was brought up in the intial post. Once again, you imply that other dealers produce an inferior product by saying, "Can other dealers build a comparable quality boat that Phil does?" You follow that up with,"I'm not going to say no, but I also don't really see it happening." So basically, you are implying there is no way that another dealer could achieve such quality, but you just don't want to say it point blank or maybe just here on OSO. In my opinion, that is pretty much a slap in the face to the Cigarette factory boats and those boats that are customized by other dealers.
Regards

I dont think that LipShip Cigs command any more money than regular Cigs..... In fact when I look at a LipShip boat for purchase the first thing that comes to mind is "how much will it cost me to take off the embroidery". Seriously, I like Philly and think that he does great work in the customer service on his boats. I dont think that he offers anything that a half way educated consumer couldnt do on their own. I could get his painter, call Richie and order motors and leave the rest of the boat from the factory and have the same damn thing. If you need hand holding through that process then use the factory or Phil. My choice would probably be the factory since it is built into the cost. I dont need Philly adding a premium to do what I can get done by the manufacturer (and shold be done by the manufacturer).

Yeah, all that CAN be done by anyone.....and it always happens about 6 months AFTER they saw it on one of Phil's machines. Tons of Gladiators were copied after yours. The current standard cockpit/cabin design for the 39 was done by Phil AFTER that side by side seated thing was debuted. The standard design on the 45 is also a Phil original, again, AFTER that 6 person thing was debuted... Probably lots more I'm leaving out.

Just like the paperclip, "anyone can do that". Then why didn't they?

....and about 1% of dealers in any brand ever even look at the boat upon arrival for the customer, much less dial a damn thing in. Phil spent days of probably the most boring time ever dialing in my last boat (and everyone elses) so that we didn't have to waste time doing it when on "our" time.

No, putting a Lip-Ship sticker on the boat doesn't make it go faster, but it at least tells me the boat is going to run as fast and tight as it possibly can the minute I step in.

If someone doesn't believe in what we're saying as "actual" owners then go buy somewhere else! Hell you'll probably save a few pennies as well. Enjoy spending half your Summer trying to make the boat run 80 or whatever they run these days. Also, 2-3 years down the road, enjoy getting zero callbacks or customer service at anytime from "dealer B" because you haven't spent any money in awhile!

You're part of the minority. About 80% I'd say of new boat buyers DO need their hand held. Why do you think they all start to look the same after the boat shows.........no creativity just make it look like "that one".

Yes, many of us could design a killer boat from the paper to the launch. There are many more out there though who haven't been performance boating as long as us and cannot design, maintain, and drive a new boat properly without some sort of professional guidance.

Blume's 600 boat has been for sale almost since it was new and the Zul boat ( http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...-o8801-en.html ) has had over 14K page views and it still hasn't sold. I don't think the banks care about the lipship designation either, they value the boat at book value based on year/power etc. So in some cases (when bank financing is required) a Lipship premium could undo the deal when the buyer can't make up the spread between the alleged Lipship value and the book value.

I think there is a serious misconception here. There is no "Premium". I have bought 9 boats from him and can testify there is no " Premium". Does anybody on here honestly say they bought a boat from him and paid more money because he sold it to them?? I know 3 or 4 of the cheapest bastards in the country who shop their balls off and would go anywhere to buy it for less if they could and they are his customers, So the whole "Premium " theory is Bull****.....