Cigarette does not take short cuts and (in my opinion) builds the best boat on the market. Phil uses that platform, takes that boat and makes it better. Everything can be improved, tweaked and refined to set it above others.

stecz20 - I'm in the same boat as you......pun intended. I don't have any money on this game either, but like you, I've had similar experiences with Phil. Chalk it up to Phil having a bad day or him thinking I'm some prop kicker, it is what it is.

Phil has designed some great boats, but so have some of the other dealers. You would have a hard time convincing me why I should pay more money for a Lip-Ship boat......and yes, I've owned a Lip-Ship Cig and a Tres Martin Cig. I feel resale value is centered more around the engine/drive package, graphics, color choices, condition, etc. than who has their name embroidered on the vinyl.

I had a thread about a year ago in which I asked Lip-Ship owners why they think their Lip-Ship Edition boat is so much better looking and better performing than the rest. I never got anything solid out of anyone. After my research, I came to the conclusion that they are not superior boat to any other Cigarette AND I can get any other dealer to do the same thing that Phil does if I chose to. Would I buy a used Lip-Ship boat? Absolutely! Would I buy a new Lip-Ship boat? No....I'll save the extra coin for gas / bar bill!

Personally, I look at a Cigarette as a Cigarette, no matter who puts their name on it. To each, his own.....

The reality is that the factory doesn't let much out of their control anymore. The factory does the rigging on all of the boats now so the dealers have less influence on the outcome. Phil does have extras that he adds and has contributed much over the years to the product you see today. When you get a boat from Phil he has gone thru it and many times redoes things that in his opinion are not up to par, and he does spend time dialing the boat in. Keep in mind that he is the ONLY exclusive Cig dealer and that does play a role as he is very focused on the product; his experience and knowledge run deep.

As others have written where he really shines is the customer service aspect; that was very important to me because I wanted to keep my boat in Miami during the winters. How many guys got a call from their dealer after running to KW to make sure everything performed well?

OP and Pier 57 are also top notch dealers; it just depends on what your priorities are. Best wishes and enjoy the experience of having a Cig custom built for you...when it's all done you'll understand.

Maybe shortcuts was the wrong word. However, when you are buiding a one-off, low production style boat, not a cookie-cutter, volume production style boat, there can be slight variances in the way it is constructed/finished. Having an extremely knowlegeable and respected person like Phil on hand during the build can only help. That is why the owners of these multi-million dollar mega- yachts hire someone to oversee the whole construction process during their builds.... Cigarette quality is top notch and a cut above the rest. Having someone there in your behalf to oversee and guide the factory when needed? That's the way I would prefer it.

makes sense. Cant wait to get down to Miami at boat show time!

i have read about the extra touches that come with a lip-ship edition. Can anyone that has been on or own a late model lip-ship edition explain what the extra touches are other than some embroidery? just woundering what is different about a lip-ship edition vs. any other new cig that the factory builds custom for a client?

The most significant difference on mine is the "Lip-Ship" front cabin in lieu of the standard V berth. Some items are cosmetic and then there are those I'm not to discuss.

would you stop it...... im a serious man...

listen by the way, since your setting that kid up with your daughter, would you mind if i asked your wife to dance at the next oso blowout.....

to be honest, years past i see a bigger difference in a lip ship cig to a dealer cig.. today, not so much, they are all coming out tits... cig has upped their game, and its apparent...

im a man that wants service with a big dollar item, when i spend big money i want someone on the other end of the phone, i want answers not more questions.. phil provides that and then some.. we know this, but on the other hand some fellas has the certain dealers in questions wrapped around their fingers.. so, brand, dealer, and some loyality goes a long way..

carry on you swine, and stop all the hate.. do we own fountains or cigs?????

A) youve never been a serious man
B) The kid will never get within a 1000 yrds of my daughter
C) You may dance with kelly Jr. high style (at arms distance, hands above the shoulders)
D) (and most importantly) yes, cigs have come a long way and are nicer than ever, no doubt. However, I stand by my original post which was an answer to the original question.

What is the difference with the cabin?