36 Cigarettes racing back in the days
05-11-2007 | 04:19 PM
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As late as '79 I won the Bushmills race in California with a boat using two 1050 carbs on each engine....reason...more horsepower and better reliability.
Remember fuel injection at that time was still not controlled by computers.
I tested at Lake X and the best results were with the two four barrels over the injection of the time. I was also using an outside engine builder...McBetts...who really could get some horsepower from a set up that they were very familiar with.
Mercury tended to stay with what worked until they were beaten and then they innovated again.....not Mr K...Mercury themselves as a corp.
Remember fuel injection at that time was still not controlled by computers.
I tested at Lake X and the best results were with the two four barrels over the injection of the time. I was also using an outside engine builder...McBetts...who really could get some horsepower from a set up that they were very familiar with.
Mercury tended to stay with what worked until they were beaten and then they innovated again.....not Mr K...Mercury themselves as a corp.
Just out of curiosity what was the output of your engines?
Also, from the little mechanical knowledge I have, I gather that a mechanically controled injection system produced a more restricted power band, much more towards top revs. Would this play a role in bad weather conditions when it seems that there is more throttle action?
Phil.
05-11-2007 | 07:34 PM
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Thank you for the explanation and the info, Charlie.
Just out of curiosity what was the output of your engines?
Also, from the little mechanical knowledge I have, I gather that a mechanically controled injection system produced a more restricted power band, much more towards top revs. Would this play a role in bad weather conditions when it seems that there is more throttle action?
Phil.
Just out of curiosity what was the output of your engines?
Also, from the little mechanical knowledge I have, I gather that a mechanically controled injection system produced a more restricted power band, much more towards top revs. Would this play a role in bad weather conditions when it seems that there is more throttle action?
Phil.
Yes, the rougher the course, the better the carb boats seemed to do, we could pick it up at lower RPM's and seem to power our way out of the deep troughs.
05-12-2007 | 04:47 AM
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Stack injection systems are great on peak torque but terrible on low end grunt because of the size of the runners.
They are just too big for any good low end grunt so the only way to make a good engine is to build it as big in displacement you can (as long as rulers permit).
Also they need a plenum on top of them to keep somewhat air available when you mash them from low to get better rpm pick up, just look why no stacks without plenums doesn´t race anymore anywhere.
I have a SBC Kinlser Stack myself...and I´m starting to get bold because of it ;-)
They are just too big for any good low end grunt so the only way to make a good engine is to build it as big in displacement you can (as long as rulers permit).
Also they need a plenum on top of them to keep somewhat air available when you mash them from low to get better rpm pick up, just look why no stacks without plenums doesn´t race anymore anywhere.
I have a SBC Kinlser Stack myself...and I´m starting to get bold because of it ;-)
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05-26-2007 | 05:46 AM
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No carbs here, a picture of the Aeromarine Injection System.
Unfortunately this picture was taken from a publication not specialised in Offshore racing and I do not know the identity of the boat which was powered by these beautiful engines.
Unfortunately this picture was taken from a publication not specialised in Offshore racing and I do not know the identity of the boat which was powered by these beautiful engines.
06-08-2007 | 08:43 PM
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Richie - Hey you old fart. I still occasionlly visit S&F outboard race site, but I had completely forgotten about this one. I enjoyed the Bahamas 500 string and all of Brownie's writings (talk about an old fart! Always reminded me of Jonathon Winters). Maybe Brownie will talk about he and Jake Trotter racing together. The last I remember, you were living a few doors down from where Bill and Vida lived in Miami...are you still there? Any idea where Doug Janisch is? If I can find it on this darn computer, I am going to throw out a bunch of names that I wrote down awhile ago and ask any and all for info on them.
-Steve Sirois
-Steve Sirois
06-09-2007 | 02:41 PM
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Deauville 2007
Phil: You have out done yourself with the video, I am very proud to have been a part of that era in Offshore, I hate to say it but Dry Martini really looks great, had to have been one of the prettiest boats of its time. wish we had video of some of the welcoming cerimonies after the win`s ( prize givings ) anyway, thank you for restoring the past, great memories for me, it`s like it was yesterday, keep up the good work, remember I want to see what Deauville looks like today, maybe I`ll try and visit one day. thanks, your friend 7XCHAMP
Richie,
Your wish is my command. A couple of pictures which may remind you a thing or two.....
As you can see, things haven't changed much, even the weather was as it was during your last visit and the little bar is still there.
Have a nice week end, my friend.
Phil.
06-09-2007 | 03:40 PM
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Attn: Seeroy. Nice to see you over here. I raced with Jake and Jim an separate occasions. I'll give the guys a couple of stories if you will share a few of Bill's. When you are in So. Fla, give me a call 305-332-7611 and we will have a couple.....
