Thank you. How's your boat coming along? Done?

Regards,

Scott Shogren

www.teamshogren.com

In that I started this I can take some liberties here.

As this aproaches 7500 views it is somewhat obvious that people are interested. So what are the big Fountain players, such as Shogren, feeling about things these days?

Are you, in Reggie's absence, going to continue to support the efforts to continue the brand?

It goes without saying that you have been huge suporters in the past, done well with the product. So what do you see in the future?

Peter,

Apparently you missed the news.


http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...part-ways.html

Team Shogren, I wish you guys the best of luck in the future. Man I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that conversation with Liberty!! Good for you Scott.

Warmest Regards,
Dave Dykstra

amen dave :drink::drink:. bet that was a good one . robbie

Apparently I did.

I just don't see a volume driven dealership going all NorTec, great boats, likely very profitable, but not a real high volume deal. If you check their inventory it's still heavily Fountain. NorTech inventory shows five boats, two sold, an 80 footer which I doubt is in the building, leaving one fish boat and one perf boat. Can they be that profitable?

I mean no offense to the Shogren team, they are for sure a solid player in the game. I'm sure I am missing something here, just can't figure out what.

I see it a bit different.

Custom builders = higher margin.

People buying new boats in that range still have money, production boat buyers that need loans, hard to get.

Then the big one, did Liberty require them to "stock" a set number of boats. That may be hard to swallow in todays market,,,,,,,,, what happens tomorrow is anybodies guess.


Just my thoughts, Shogren is the only one that knows the real story.

Thank you
 

Thank you for all the support. Alot of interesting comments.

Stay Tuned.

Regards,

Team Shogren

www.teamshogren.com

Stay Tuned.


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sounds like u know something . care to spill the beans ????????????????

Please learn to not only read my comments, but try to comprehend them.

Fountains Cockpit is NOT state of the art, (cabin is average) have you ever looked at a outerlimits, nor tech, MTI? How many fountains have a I-PAD in the dash, DUH!

The only change and mondern looking fountain is the 42 poker run. The rest look very similiar to the older models. All the models have been behind the times in looks compared to the competion. In the 90's they still had a ugle square 80's black dash when Baja was updated with a modern looking white dash. Yes mercury is great, just one example how fountain does not try other options. (using mercury actually has more to do with the contract of fountain buying baja from brunswick requiring fountain to spend X amount of dollars on mercury products, still they should have explored more options like ilmor, surface drives, diesels, etc.)

Fountain does not compare to a Porsche or Ferrari. Obviously you have not been in either of their cars.

If fountain was so amazing the number one dealer would still carry them!

By the way shogren, good luck with your new adventures. Excited to see your business continue to grow.

comming along good:) always trying to gain a few more MPH

I will sit on the side lines for the roast that this post will bring:coolcowboy:


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What does your older 2000 fountain outdated fever do better then my Baja in our recreational enviornment? Unless you are going to tell me you race professionally with it! Still it would come down to driver, crew, and luck. You must never leave the fountain section nor attend the Miami boat show. The fountain booth was embarrassing last year. Unless you were only looking at Center Counsels.

Here are some definitions for you

Premier boats: MTI, Outerlimits, Statement Marine, Nor tech, Mystic, Skater, Cig, etc.
Everyone will have a favorite depending on needs and price

Production boats: Fountain, Formula, Baja, Checkmate, Sunsation, Powerquest (no longer in business)
Again, everyonge will have a favorite depending on needs, price, experience, etc.

My 33 outlaw is one of the best Baja hulls made, fits ME perfect, is paid off (I am 27), fast, reliable, handles, etc. Has a huge extended cockpit with room for 10 (not 5 like a fountain).

Thanks for calling me a hater. I also am not putting down fountains just calling them junk (one step above bayliner!)
You also must have not read any of my positive comments throughout this thread.

Well, when it comes to hull designs Reggie was one of the best and still is. To say a Fountain is the same as a Baja is taking it a little far. The 42 Fountain is probably one of the best hulls you can buy. Continue on.........:D

Please read EVERYTHING I have wrote throughout this thread. I have said the hull handled good and was fast. Never compared a Baja directly to a 42. Yes the 42 (especially the newer poker run) is neat.

Its a fact that Fountain is in the same catagory, production boat, as the others I stated. Which is the best in that catagory is personal opinion. Could fountain go head to head with other brands like outerlimits, yeah in some ways, for some people, but not for others.

Go ride in a 33 fountain, then come drive my outlaw and post your expierence. I bet you will be impressed.

To make onte thing clear once and for all.... FOUNTAIL POWERBOATS is probably the best construction of a Vhull you can buy. Baja people go home or try to outrun a similar length and weight Fountain in 70 mph in 7 ft saltwater seas. I have customers with Bajas that is shocked by the difference in rigidness, stability, dryness, sit-position, smoothness when I take them out for a run in my 29 Fever. To compare Fountain to "mid range" boats is just insane. No other V-bottom comes close to Fountains performance. Remember, top end numers is one thing, but HOW THE BOAT RUNS AT THIS SPEED is something else, and in fact a lot more important. The Furnibo Fountain P1 racing team had an Outerlimits before, and they said the boats were not even comparable in stability.

In Norway, all performanceboats are abused along the coast in huge wakes. A guy told me they had tried "all brands" and the only boat that did not delaminate was Fountain. And these guys are crazy behind the wheel. The only other boat that is truly high tech is MTI, because of Randys racing heritage. With Reggies support when he made the first MTI for Randy (Fountain 42 Scism cat). Nor-Tech is becoming faster but no way they are a better construction. They are very good at installing wiring etc. Outerlimits are making spin outs. Statement is a fantastic boat with all the details, but look at the design.. When you see a Fountain 42, it is just so much more elegant. And the user friendlyness is a lot better in a Fountain. Cigarette don't even have a recessed swim platform. They tried to run fast, but at 161 moh, they lost control of the boat and it was severe.. The problem with Fountain the last years is quality control, but the design and construction is the most modern of all Vees.

People who have not driven a modern stepped Fountain. Please dont tell me a Baja is better!!!!!!!!!!!! I even outran a 35 Baja outlaw with 2 x Merc 662 SCI with my 29 Fever (old hull design) with 2 x Merc 377 Scorpion in 75 mph against the 6 ft sea and strong wind. The Baja had more power to it, but they could just not go faster. Try that with a 29 ft Baja... hahahahah Don't make a foul out of yourseves. Fountain owners also are very happy with their boats, fuel consumption, image, design, user friendlyness, easy to trailer, dry and safe boats at high speed.

"70 mph in 7 ft saltwater seas."
"75 mph against the 6 ft sea and strong wind"
In a 29' boat of any design I would doubt this claim.

Thank you Interceptor. Could not have said it better my self.

Everyone has personal expierence. Just like when you hear stories when someone has a sports car or truck they beat a mustang, corvette, etc. Was the other guy even racing!? Was it a V6 automatic? Come on fountain brainwashed people. EVERY boat has its place in the market place. Step out of your box and open up your eyes for a second! Fountain is not the only boat out, and not the best in EVERY catagory. Come tie up with me at any beautiful Lake Michigan sand bar, while I have 10 hot bikini girls on my boat and you only have room for 4 in that narrow, tiny, short fountain. Unless you are ONLY running a poker run circuit, or racing, in recreational use a Fountain is not always better then a baja or others. AGAIN, I Have also said many positives about fountain. I Have test drove a 35 on the ohio river with the salesman michael jordon. Yes it turned on a dime. Lots of other boats do also.

I am done. Either respect my comments and opinions or keep living in fatasy world that fountains are the best and only. Then you better hope Reggie starts re rigging them because watch the future, I bet fountain powerboats become smaller and smaller.

Baja v. Fountain? Not again?! LOL
 

This has been hashed out a million times, not sure why I'm even typing. :lolhit:

here goes anyway. . .

I came out of a 2001 33 Outlaw and into a 1993 42 last year. Never understood all the hype about Fountains. You can't beat the dance floor of a 33 Outlaw that's true. Most the cockpits on the Baja's are huge and have plenty of room. I don't race boats, but I'm pretty sold on Fountain's ride, build and handling now. Best quote I've head about boats is they all start out in a five gallon bucket and they hang parts off them.

Reggie's marketing idea's were not new, race on Sunday = sales on Monday. I just saw that slogan about the 1967 Old 442's this weekend.

I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night if that changes things? :eek:

Im going to start off by saying I love the Baja line. I have had 4 of them 2 29 outlaws great boats a 30 outlaw what a pile of chit and know a 35 outlaw built by fountain. this 35 outlaw is hands down bar none the best one yet. the rigging and the materials they use are far superior to your 33 outlaw. So I guess what im trying to say is shut the hell up your making all the rest of use look like dumb asses.

Oh REALLY ??? Well I guess you just hav'nt been in the high performance area of powerboating at all then. Since you still have a baja, that explains it I guess. To even compare a 33 Fountain with a cheapazz 33 baja is a joke. Baja's have always been an introductory line of performance boats. Get your feet wet, and when you want to have a REAL performance boat, you can step up to a Cig, Fountain, or if you can afford it, a custom OL.
Any of the performance boat owners that I have taken out for a blast in my 33 Fountain, were totally impressed on how well it handled, especially in snotty water up above the 100 mark.

So, maybe you just outa go back to the Baja forum, and keep dreamin. When you have the slightest clue of what you're talking about, maybe then think about making another post here. :lolhit:

Gunner, you're the 1st guy that I heard make a statement about the "new" Baja built at Fountain. I'm glad to hear the positive remarks you experienced with it. Maybe someday, when I see a newer one around the lake, I'll have to ask for a ride and test it out for myself. :drink:

anytime

Agree!!!

over the years, and even back in the day, i cant think of another brand of boat, that people jammed big HP mills into and ran high speeds with more than Fountains.

There are literally tons of older Fountains out there, with big power mills, big speedmaster drives, running 100+mph. If the hulls werent any good, you just wouldnt see that.

Point being, Reggie's boats took the added HP well. They could perform, handle, and structurally endure the high horsepower setups.

When was the last time you saw a older 80's or even 90's baja rigged with speedmasters, and 900-1000HP blower motors that ran north of 100? Sure you can throw a ton of horsepower at something, but will the boat handle? Will the hull structure handle it or start breaking apart?

I do agree that the Baja setups are roomy boats, if thats what you are into. I am into performance boats for just that, performance. If i want to have lots of room, entertain large groups, than i will look into a cruiser style boat.

Baja is built more for comfort , Fountain is about speed :party-smiley-004:

A local Baja Dealer dropped baja's shortly after Fountain taking over, because of a huge mark up and botchy workmanship. They were a baja dealer for over 30 years and were completely dissapointed with the quality after the baja/fountain merger. Maybe they got seconds or something I don't no. I am not saying anything bad about either boat company, if the owner is happy that is all that matters. A person in a fountain is no better than someone in a baja. The owner of the baja may have a little more beer money than the guy in the fountain at the end of the month. Besides I believe fountain alway turned to Dave at Skater for assistance in their so called cat killers in design etc... so you can't give Reggie all the credit. Reggie was always talking smack, it is the quite ones you have to watchout for.

FINALLY someone read the entire thread not just the parts they wanted to. Thanks

Some people can be closed minded. 27 yr. old with a paid off boat, I'd say you are going in the right direction.

So I guess what im trying to say is shut the hell up your making all the rest of use look like dumb asses.
I believe you made yourself look like one.

LMFAO.....I am sure it had nothing to due with you need to stock x- amount of boats in a tough economy or the fact that floor plan money has dried up. It had to do with the Quality from Fountain.........WTF are you smokin??

amen tomtbone .

Randy and Offshore you two need to a reality check. Gunners point is dead on about the differance between Bruinswich built Baja's and Fountain built Baja's. I looked at the 35 Outlaw Fountain built for Kellys Port, hands down better than my old 35. You two have obviously never been in rough water. If you had, you would know that a Fountain will eat up any Baja foot for foot in rough water or top end. I owned a 30 and a 35 Baja Outlaw. Both looked like they were built good. Until I got around quality built boats. They were two of the roughest riding boats. I'm not putting down the 33 Outlaw. They are a nice "entry" level boat.

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I am not saying fountains suffer from poor quality. What my understanding from the dealer was, that the QC was sacrificed on the baja's largely due to cut costs on the baja line and the fountain/baja name would sell itself and I assume to increase their margin of safety. They would obviously not sacrifice the fountain lines fit and finish. The outlaw they had left instock did have somewhat of a wavvy finish. My understanding was that fountain used spray on paint and vinyl decals as opposed to the in-gel coloring they previously had on baja's. Either way I am not saying anything bad about either boat. I am sure that their was alot going on in fountains corporate office an decisions had to be made to stay afloat, and unless any of us are employed their we probably would not no the whole story on their position. IMO that is probably why Reggie is getting out to save face.

ATTENTION BAJA OWNERS/SUPPORTERS IN THIS THREAD.

This thread is in the "Fountain" section of OSO and the thread
is about Reggie's leaving and what "Fountain" owners
think about it.

When Brunswick gave Baja to Reggie back in 08'
and we were whining about that back then, the Fountain
guys didn't bother us.....let them discuss this matter amongst themselves.

....... And for what it's worth, I'm not a Fountain fan.;)

I have been in rough water, the baja I rode in was in probably 2-3 footers not what I would consider rough water though, so I cannot attest to rough water handling. In moderate water the true v seemed to ride well, but not as flat as the stepped fountains. That wasn't my point. The boat at the dealer may have been repainted I don't know the facts on it and cannot base judgment on them based on one boat, I was just going off of the dealers comments and a few other people. That is why I hate posting on forums because it is hard to determine a persons rhetoric sometimes. I am not trying to come off as a a-hole by any means. I believe this is what has happened to poker runs/ fun runs people feel skidish of entering in with smaller boats etc... because they feel they will get hammered, by the more elloborate ones. I dont care if some ties off to my boat in a wood raft we are going to have fun regardless, and no I am not a baja owner and never have owned one, but there is nothing wrong with them either.

Pull up next to me and those 10 hot bikini girls will hop off ur boat quicker than a blink of an eye and get in mine.

I could never get any hot azz w/my Fountain......:party-smiley-004:

Now that is what I am talking about :drink:

You are correct, my wife would have kick boxed their arses off and feed me to the sharks.:angry-smiley-038: