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Apache...simply the finest

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no disrespect to Fountain,Reg has marketed them very well. Fastest smooth water boat made with the 2ft beak. Come play with Apache or a tiger in the big stuff and you will see a Fountain get snapped in half. Fountain is a lake boat!!!! And I do mean the big stuff where only a tiger or Apache dare go play!!!!

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Give me a light lay-up, twin step Cig with 525EFI that runs 90+mph every weekend turn-key over a straight bottom big powered Apache that you are always wrenching on. Sure, your boat has more bling but after a hard days run we are tied up at the dock having a drink, and you are limping in...well :drink:

My $.02

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Didn't you guys do you fair share of limping in last year in that turn-key 525 boat????

:D :evilb: :drink: :evilb:

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Only once :p

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I predict that within say.....35 years, they will be taking my designs and making them with different brand names........ and they will all be claiming that one is better than the others.....what do you think??

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twin steps eliminate wrenching?
Wow!

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No, I didn't say that. Twin Steps allow you to run less hp motors and still go the same speed therefore having stock motors eliminate most of the wrenching.

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READY........Just don't turn!!!!! Just kidding, putting the thread back to the top.

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As i said earlier, I would own either, but many are comparing purpose built race boats to pleasure versions. Lucky strike has no cabin and is a light layup, therefore there is no weight comparison to a pleasure layup, it is purpose built...for speed.

A pleasure layup allows a person to have the comforts of a cabin, sacrificing speeds for the additional weight.

A 6 pack is purpose built for stand up only, some have half cabins as they are older and that was the norm.

I dont think anyone is comparing apples to apples, and each boat suits its owners needs perfectly.
To me this is a mute point, each is awesome, to anyone that says different has blinders on...

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This is like 2 fleas fighting over who owens the dog. :D :evilb:

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There is no fighting, just opinions, observations and fun.

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Cig And Apache = Offshore Racing! All Others = Inshore Racing!

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I like my boats like I like my girls............YOUNG, ATTRACTIVE and FAST !!!

TONTO is one bad MOFO, but my tastes lean more towards Plastered's AMERICAN MUSCLE 2......... :D

That boat talks the talk and carries a big stick.........

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When comparing an Apache to a Cig of the same era (late 80's - early 90's), I would choose the Apache. The boats are similar and both need big power, but there is just something about the Apaches that I like. I don't exactly know what it is or why, but I like the Apaches.

As for newer boats, I would choose a Cigarette as long as it didn't have the new style dash and cockpit (hate it - too much bling). As far as newer boats go, my ideal boat would be a 42' Tiger. It has the classic offshore lines and it will perform well with stock power. Of course, this opinion is biased because I have first hand experience with newer Cigs, but I have not seen or been for a run in a new McMannus Apache yet.

Overall, I have owned both brands and I would have to say that, of the boats that I have personally owned, Lucky Strike has my favorite one. It is tough to compare the Apache to the newer Cigarettes because they are totally different animals, but I think that our old Top Gun was indeed my favorite overall. Good lines and great performance on stock power. That is a great combination. If only I could get the Apache to run 85-90mph with a pair of 525s! :D :p :cool:

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Smoking crack is bad for your brain...

I'd take the Cigarette. New technology wins everytime.

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how did fountain get into this ? oh maybe as the win all the offshore races and everyone is jelous?
regarding the quote;
untill the fountains show up and you get SPANKED :D :D :evilb:
and you know it... :eek:
not ALOTt of apaches running/racing? not even in p1 :eek: anyone been offshore racing lately? would it matter? i guess its inshore racin, :eek:

dont get me wrong,,, i think apache's are nice boats!!! BAD AZZ WITH SOME SNORTING power,,
but its like taking a 1957 chevy and racing a 1999 viper
technology is what it is,, now take both and modify and it gets even uglier,,
great pleasure boat, but bottom line it takes a ton more money and time to keep 1000's runnin than 525's and not to speak of fuel consumption. but who cares,,,,,,
big ol heavy boat with a ton of hp is cool!!
but still not gonna run with todays efficient equipment.
it is what it is,
my comparison is i had a 70 camaro all the cheese all the money poured into it,, no way no how could it run withmy viper... i still love both....
no matter what u all say when it gets real ugly rough i dont care if youhave a apache cig or a fountain u gonna be miserable and unless u toddle home u will be hurt and so will the boat,
i know there will be stories aobut how u came back in 12 footers running 100 but i aint buyin it. :D :drink:
all in all great boats for different folks and that is good.
if we all had the same chit wouldnt have notn to talk about.

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too bad aranow not around,,
it would be interesting where he woudl take the boat building from here,, it has come so far its amazing,
who would have thought 7+ yrs ago a boat would run 100 from factory with such lttl powr todayt, it really is awosome the technology and the reliability from the stock powrplants,.
imop

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Like Offshore Raceing???? I dont get where your coming from??? all of the boats you quoted are good in big stuff Fountain is Just faster power to wieght, There all great boats in there own rite!

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Ok.....
Lucky, I know you have had quite a bit of experience with running Cigarette Powerboats off the coast of NJ. When it get's rough out... 6' seas...how does the twin step Top Gun compare to the conventional bottom? I know the twin step pushes faster with less horsepower in smaller water, but how about the rough stuff?

Thanks
Ed

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I have the Fountain :cool: What do you have to bring to the table?

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My 40 foot Fountain was a wave crusher. That boat was amazing.

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i like the beak! without it it would just look like all the rest :(

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So does Surface drives..and Voilá even less wrenching.

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Good post Jonas :cool:

The choice is yours "old school muscle or new school hustle"
Both Bas A$$ boats :evilb:

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Jonas I´d still get the Camaro over your Viper..but I´m a GM guy.

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Shame on you to make such a comment on someone you don't know. The only crack I have seen, was the cracked in half Fountain we went by,and that is not the first or the last. I have seen them brake at LOTO also. I still give credit to them for the fastest smooth water boat,but they are no Apache or CIG.

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my dad has an 88 12 meter fountain......it runs real good in the rough..............

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Travis Reed:
Look up the word IDIOT in the dictionary... There is a picture of you and your name. Fountain dominates some of the biggest rough water races in the world, so I really dont understand where you are comming from either. Take my first comment with a grain of salt, its just some trash talk, u like everyone else on this site is a boater so when it comes down to it Im sure you are pretty cool as well

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i been a gm guy for a long time,,
but i drove a viper and had to have one,, its just like these stupid boats we love,
dont make sense just makes alot of fun....

i would love to have that camaro today!!
had a muncie 4 speed, mcloud clutch,stroked small block,. loud, raw, unrefined, fun as all heck to drive i wish i had it today,, but to find something similar its all the money.. :eek:

had a 72 chevelle 350 with a power slide trans, glass packs.
we used this to tow our jet boat :drink: funny as heck.
and then an ss nova, too much power it was straight scary the whole car woud twist, yikes,
those days were fun,, i was just so broke could barely keep en runiin,

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First we were talking about boats,then you made it personal. Shame on you to make such a comment about someone you do not know again. That would be like me calling you a *****,oops!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just did, And to think we were talking about opinions on boats.

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I'm sure it it a very awsome boat what motors are in it? Are you ever at LOTO or Florida?

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Here ya go Jonas! :drink:

Firewater Racing Team Link

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some kind of Who Dunnit mold.

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Theres never too much power, for the street that is (Scandinavian Street Racing style, remember in the early 90´s there was ProMods running in the streets over here in street racing...YES Real ProMODS and 1993 swedes took the World title in Florida for a street driven car at the Power World Finals)
:D

Toys are meant to be raw.
Interested of a 70½ Z/28 Camaro with real A-group road Racing history with a stout smallblock plus the race suspension still on for 20K?
Shipment over there goes for 2K.
Attachements for the rollcage are intact.
Nope it wont be for sale abroad..sorry too many takers in line here for it.

Built a 66 SS L79 Nova with a 355 using Bill Miller rods Brodix Track1´s plus a serious roller (mechanical) etc. last summer for a friend.
That body gets twisted allot even with subframe connectors.
Full cage is next for it...yes I know what a real L79 is worth..who cares restored cars are no FUN.
Regarding viper..never really grown into them the Z06 on the other hand was an instant hit for me.

Boats are fun too no doubt.
Also old school there so only True flatdeck Cigs for me (like 35 Mistress and the 39 Squadron)
Apaches are just copycats or a continuation run IMO.
Fine boats no doubt but not the original.

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heres another one..the only P1 Apache racing in Europe picture from 2005 and no inshore racing!


http://www.powerboatp1.com/images/ga...aly-race03.jpg

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Nice !!! :drink:

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Sharkey when will you visit Europe racing ?

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I think if I ever did that, I would never want to come home.... :D :D :D

I think what you guys have over there is awesome!
Especially my favorite, the SOB Classes! :drink:

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Learn to take a joke, life is a bit easier. :cool:

You are entitled to your opinion but the record shows otherwise.

This sums it up.