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"the most competitive V-bottom classes; Superboat Vee Unlimited"

OTFLMAO! :D :D :D :D

That is too funny.....

Thanks Fanatic... :drink:
Life is much easier now.... :drink:

Maybe this season we will see more than 1 boat in SVU... :D

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Cig or Apache, both bad azz boats. I would be a proud owner of either boats!!! I can appreciate both the old school as well as the bling bling designs, both are very appealing to me. :drink:

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I see you left out the rest of the sentence but I agree they should have left that part out. Fountain did quite well in Super Vee, One, Two and three.

I'd say Fountains record over the past 15 years or so speaks for itself though.

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That was so you knew exactly what I was commenting on... ;)


It would be real disappointing if they didn't. The class is packed with 11 of their boats. The odds are with them... :drink:

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What year was it when this "Lake Boat" won just about every race it was entered in?

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How about this lake boat?

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Yes and you understood mine. :D


And why is that? Why does everybody want to race with a Fountain ? :cool:
You don't race to lose.

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I thought apache got started by splashing old cig molds they found next door by the dumpster

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Usually because of the initial Factory support...
Then one day the next new boat gets a little extra boost from the factory and suddenly the other's aren't near the front of the pack. Example: NYC 2005.

Now why don't we leave this thread to the Cigs vs Apache. Kinda getting off topic here... ;)

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2002....The last time a serious Cigarette ran in F-2....Every time the water kicked up they Smashed the competition {2 diff boats} Hmmmm

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I thought this was a Cigarette/Apache thread. :rolleyes:

Where did it go wrong, was it just the Apache word in the title? :eek:

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Travis Reed-

I told you that comment was nothing personal, just some harmless trash talk

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Racers don't buy a boat that's going to lose based on initial factory support. Nice try though. :p


I agree! :D

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If the day gets hard enough you won't be out there, you will just stay at the dock and drink. Your comment is typical of people who have not spent time in a #6 boat. Don't get me wrong, I think your top gun is great but not only have you got no chance in big water against a 41 apache you will never catch these #6 top guns. From an efficiency standpoint and a cost standpoint your 90 mph is the clear winner. Just don't race a straight bottom #6 boat in waves over 5 feet. I don't want you to get hurt. :D

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Um, you thought wrong. :rolleyes:

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Awesome picture Parnell!!!!...and a great post as well ;) :drink:

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"Just don't race a straight bottom #6 boat in waves over 5 feet. I don't want you to get hurt"

This is what makes OffshoreOnly such a great community. Parnell's selfless concern for a fellow boater should be an example to all of us. I would type more, but I'm starting to tear up...............................

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"How about this lake boat?"

Yep, some serious porpoiseing problems surfacing there. Shoulda bean an Indian make. <gg>

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You're right Parnell, if the day gets hard enough we won't be out there and neither will you. You can't begin to tell me you actually run fast in 6-8 footers, it's just not possible. Oh yeah, #6's hold up much better than bravos no doubt!

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nice pics, looks sweet,,, makes me want to go boating
but wow,,, u guys on a lake? barely a rippell.. :D
let see em in 6-8's :eek:

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thats todd wellings isnt it?
did he end up selling it? is a fast 38

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If you read his post, he didn't say 6-8 footers. He said waves over 5 feet. ;) :D

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now we got an apache thread splitting hairs.. :D

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Bobby not for anything but you know very well that my old man and me are always out there when it's ruff and you know that. just like when i went out with Randy ( wild) in his topgun when it was pouring rain and ruff as chit and you called me and said " we are going by the inside it's to ruff" right or wrong. so don;t say that people don;t go out there when it's ruff, cause that when we mostly go out :evilb:

jr mike

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:D :evilb: :drink: :evilb:

Apaches really don't come alive until the seas are over 10 feet!!!!

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ah just like my inflatable :D :D :evilb:

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Mike, not for nothing but I have only seen your Gun out there once as a pleasure boat. That was when you first bought it and it wasn't rough. Everytime I talk to Frank and ask him if he wants to go out for a run it's always broken.

Yes, we did tell you it was too rough that day. However, we had my mother on board who has a herniated disc in her back, my brother, and Bill's son who I don't think has been in a speed boat more than a hand full of times. Sometimes, you need to use your brain instead of your ego.

Now, if you want to go play one day let's go :cool:

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Seems like whenever the word "Apache" is mentioned things get a bit crazy..
The original question was a bit vague.
They both have good and bad points ..

Fountains are nothin to sneeze at iether but what happened to the dash ..aaaammm is that enough room for the stereo remote? Could they possibly get the gauges a little more centered behind the wheel , I think I can see the numbers on a couple of them :rolleyes:

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41 Apache will run 6' + seas. And don't discount a non step Top Gun. I only ask about the twin step Cigarette's because I watched one struggleing in 4' seas, maybe he had mechanical trouble...I don't know.

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The drivers dash is pretty sad so is the passenger side...Looks cheap ???

But the sucker runs 109 mph with twin 600's.

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Come on... A gun having problems with 4 ft seas?

Mechanical or driver or some other issue.

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Ya must have been a mechanical or a wuss :D

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Just like when a Surfer hears a storm coming.... :drink:

The adrenaline gets pumpin' ! :evilb:

It's always better to go out in it then let it get slammed against the dock... No fun in that.... ;)

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Parn only goes out then it's rough like 4+, I know I have been with him or along side of him when it is rough, he prefers 6+. If it's flat he takes his Skater out, he's the only guy that I know that is not happy if it's calm out. Steve

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prove it!!!!! :rolleyes:

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so so correct!!! 10ft plus.

Can a fountain run in that and keep up/ stay together???

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Best chuckle I have had in weeks :drink: NK

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kevlar 41 Apache 1100's :D

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A debate that has raged on this board for ever is what constitutes 6-8's cause all water is very different and of course another debate is what is fast in rough water. Both legitmate points that never get resolved but you are very wrong about me not going out in them. That my friend is what I live for, sadly. :rolleyes:
Also when I referred to the sixes I was not referring to 6's holding up better, that is a given. I was pointing out how much difference they make in big water. More stable and they stay hooked up so much better that any boat with them is going to run faster in rough water if the boat is the same. My top gun had bravos when I ordered it cause I couldn't afford sixes and now it has sixes and they are so much better that it's not even close to the same boat. The drives muscle the boat not the other way around. This is Nykamp and I in 4-6's last fall running 75 on Lake Michigan. No one was around to take a pic except the beach cam. Fun thread. :drink: NK

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