I believe Reggie could actually be helping me out, in this case. These are stellar numbers indeed for a 35' V-bottom and congratulations are in order for sure. His competitors will definitely have their work cut out for them.

I, like Marginmn, also wonder about the margin of error available in this type of package for the average consumer who may at times use a little too much wheel input or hit the wrong side of the trim switch for a couple seconds by mistake. Hopefully this wasn't just an all out attempt for top speed only with little margin for error. Thorough testing and unbiased reporting hopefully will provide the answers.

As most can tell, by my screen name and avatar, I currently prefer cats. I don't dislike V-bottoms for any particular reason, I just prefer cats from a performance standpoint, but for the pleasure boater, they have two major drawbacks compared to the Vee's. Cabin space and trailering. (if over 8'-6" wide) It'd be nice to be able to bang my favorite girl without bumping my head or my azz constantly or simply be able to throw out the anchor and spend the night if I decide to get too hammered to go home. That's the big advantage of the Vees.

Now I've ridden in both cats and Vees at a 100 MPH and over, and while on smooth, flat conditions, neither was really an issue. But throw in some rollers, chop, wind, slop, cruiser wakes or the occasional hole and there is a difference. The four point balance of the cats just feels more stable than the two point balance of the Vees under these conditions.

I would say that the amount of attention required and the white-knuckle factor for a cat running at 125 MPH is equaled in a similar sized V-bottom at about 100 MPH under these conditions.

Now a few years back, some rich boys with daddy's money went out and bought some cats capable of speeds over 140 MPH with tunnel tabs, that by the way have uses on a cat but leave much less of a margin for error if used improperly, and went high performance boating with little or no training and maybe even less respect for the machines they were in. They made mistakes, got in trouble and precious lives were lost.

The insurance carriers responded and we see the results. Premiums $10,000 and up, if even available. Now insurance is BIG business and as one member mentioned earlier, their all about "risks", bottom line. As more information becomes available to them, they will respond accordingly. Hopefully, for cat owners anyway, research by the insurance companies will reveal that the the catamaran design is in fact safer at speeds over 100 MPH and insurance rates will change accordingly. But usually as prices rarely seem to drop on anything these days, more likely I would expect the premiums of the 105 MPH V-bottoms to rise to the level of the 130 MPH catamarans after the first few incidents happen and they begin to weigh their "risks" and get the facts.

We probably need to police ourselves in some way on these issues because as we see, manufacturers are already building them and dealers are just going to push them into our laps with little concern for our safety.

By the way, it's really nice to read informed, well spoken posts by intelligent people with real concerns for the future of the sport without the usual interruptions of everybodys friend. I never contacted OSO, I guess they made a judgement call after someone reported my posts. Someone who could dish it out, but...........Thanks OSO.






Though, I do wonder how long I'll have these little red dots next to all of my posts where everyone else just has "Report Post"

Truer words have never been spoken..........


Pickle popper.

Reggie seems to be outright lying once again.

Now he claims that Outerlimits has never showed up to a race.

Fountain vs Reggie

How quick he forgot about KW last year with OL's V-47

Other OL Race Boats:

Jus' Truckin'
Media Master
Wild Child
Obsession

Actualy I boat out In the california delta and the bay, in some big water. And no I was born yesterday, obviousley people loosing their live will draw more attention than a 35' Fountain doin 105. Pretty sad that by callin the boat a "33" is all you people can say to knock a Fountain. And just my opion but I know alot of other people feel the same way...Formulas are butt a$$ ugly boats that are slow. So when it comes to performance boats... Hmmmm? you dont have to worry

Well you said they wont let OL race so I just thought by you sayin they wont let Firewater race that...???

Amen to that well said

I know for a fact that Media Master got beat most of the time by Nick Carter's 40' Fountain. And most of the time they dont show up, I mean come on Reggie is a competitive guy he welcomes the competion just like in the case of the Kilo record two years ago OL went home....havent heard from them since.

And vegas odds on that OL V-47 against the cat killer boat
47 Fountain 2-1 odds, and hey play the over-under...
3 laps that the OL will loose by. Im guessin you will take the under...HAHAHA

that's quite a spin you guys manage to put on what's been said

"should be encouraged to be less efficient"

see...there you go assuming that hull efficiency /design and top speed ability are the same thing

you couldn't be more wrong. One is positively influenced by the other but they are not synonomous, and you can demonstrate an incredible design without going 103!

by repeatedly pounding the point of speed you show yourself to be exactly what I'm talking about

really not understanding or appreciating the advancements in the design..

It's just all about...
the number
the number
the number

would you be just as impressed if this incredible design ran 80 on small blocks?
You wouldn't even notice, and yet the hull design/layout would be just as revelutionary and effective in that scenario.

So much for policing our gluttony for speed. How the he!! often can you use it? Really, in an average weekend of real boating? Guests, gear, traffic ect. ect...

there will be more of these 100MPH 35's put out in a year than all the Glads and 38ZR's ever built combined. I fear there will be less respect for the capabilities simply because they didn't build it up, or wait 6 months to get one! No labor of love, no moderation for fear of breakage, just write the check, turn the key and hammer it!!...what array of capabilities does that invite into the 100 MPH club on your local waterway?

PS. another childish name-calling attack on Formula just because I own one. I chose the Formula in the 35' market for my 6th boat because at 6'5" and 240 I needed the extra space their product offered in the cockpit for hanging out, and in the cabin for staying on the boat days, if not a week at a time. I have never claimed it is the be all/end all of boats in this size, it just fit my needs/boating style fairly well at this point. My experience has been that it is the quality product it was said to be with EXCELLENT customer support.
and BTW my Formula is a 34' boat.
buttass ugly? I'm not so sure sure that's a common opinion ouside the defensive camp. and certianly not the response I get out on the water!

oh and epeek, thanks for the kind words in reference to the time I've spent here on OSO. I'm only trying to stimulate discussion and debate about the future of the sport. Especially after all the discussion right here on this board over the last couple years about speed, safety and insurance.

They didn't allow anyone else to race because they wanted the Brand New Rio Roses boat to get the title in SV Unlimited in KW.

Come on, Reggie didn't welcome that competition last year....

If he wants to race fair and prove what he's got, have him show up in Destin with that so called "Cat Killer"...

Stay tuned....