Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

They do build them well. NK

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I've never wavered from that opinion, and I don't think I ever will......I take that back. The Navy SEALS has a boat worth raving about and is well worth it's money....:p

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I also thought this thread was in reguards to the new 43 ,as the 32 is a nice boat, its not in the same league as the above mentioned boats.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Very well said. It amazes me the imaturity on this site sometimes :rolleyes:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

WHoaa WHoaaa There killer,, "plastic Piece of crap"? There is a frame associtated with the vette,, and if you have ever been t-boned in a vette,, or rear ended, you will eat your words on that last statement,, Im not saying whats better,,or comparing to a lambo, but "plastic piece of crap" Have some respect for an American Legend. Ive been in quite a few situations with my vette's the last one I was rear ended dead on by a drunk,, traveling in excess of 105mph, speedlimit was 35mph,, I was reall close to that. I walked away,, The frame on the vette is something special. AMERICA FuKK YEA! :drink:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I luuuuuuuv the Vette, and always will....:)

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Same at cigarette.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Neil...are you down sizing?

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I don't know what the hell I'm doing to be honest Rick...

But I do know I can't afford the speeding tickets in the Tiger anymore. :D :drink:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

:D :D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I'd take a look at one of them there Fountains..:drink:
They come with a Dewalt screw gun & 6 extra batteries
:D :D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

You mean like the one you have for sale? :drink: :D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

My take.... unless you have personal experience with the F4 you need to base your opinion on those that do.

And I would caution a rush to judgement just because its a new name to the 40 plus game. Let the boat itself determine if it belongs in the conversation or not, not hear say.

Since I don't have personal experience with all 4, I won't comment further as it would be an uneducated comment.....

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I like that statement. I'm gonna steal that qoute and use it in the next boat vs boat dou-jour thread....:p

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

WOW... someone who makes sense!!!!!!!

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Great thread Neil, you got everyone fired up. I thought coming out of a 42 Tiger you would be inquiring about an F4 and apparently so did everyone else, including Dave Donchez.
I think Dave's response was aimed at the F4 comparison.

I don't think that a 32 Sunsation (and I have a 32) can be judged on the same level as a NT, OL or Cig because they don't compete at the 32 ft level. Smallest boat from 2 builders is a 39, and Cig does make the Vice but don't think that is a real popluar boat (probably a couple dozen ever built) so for them so basically their smallest is a 38 TG.

As far as speeding tickets in your boat you should just pull the big power and put a couple of 525's in there and enjoy stock, slower but reliable power. I wouldn't trade from a 42 to a 32 no matter who makes it.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Cigarette doesn't make the Vice anymore so the smallest is a 38 Top Gun GT.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

You thought wrong and Dave Donchez knew that I was inquiring on a 32. My email(s) to him were very specific to the 32 and his responses implied he knew exactly the boat I was refuring too. If you'd like I can post all email correspondences to and from Dave.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Cig builds a 30, a true 30, without the molded swim plattform.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

How do you know you wouldn't? Have you owned a 42'?

Perhaps my priorities have changed. Perhaps I'd like to have money to have other toys besides a boat. Ever consider that?

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

IMO it doesn't matter what boat I was asking about anyhow because Dave was refuring to Sunsation Boats being comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, and Nortech.

I didn't start the thread to "fire everyone up" and IMO not everyone is "fired up". It was a simple question. I think you should consider the fact that I would even, honestly pose the question about the comparison. If someone would have told me Fountain was comparable to the three do you think I would have wasted my time with a thread like this? NO!

I don't know a hell of a lot about Sunsation and I was interested in learning more.

Do you think it was a bad move on my part to investigate if Sunsation boats are really comparable or not? I don't. And you shouldn't either if your confident about the manufacturer your purchasing from.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Neil,

What are you looking for in your next ride??

Dan

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I'm really not sure Dan... Trying to do my homework.

The Sunsation SS caught my eye at the Montreal Boat show and I have no knowledge of the company. So I though I'd inquiry for the heck of it.

I definately know what I don't want. That's for sure. :drink:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

My personal opinion on Sunsation is they all look like the same boat, not a fan of the styling but they're tooling is top notch. As far as construction I hope they use less chopper gun on the F4 and foam the tanks rather than plop them on a pile of gunk.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Wasn't meaning to insult the change but the ride will definitely get rougher without that 10 feet of boat no matter what the brand. Your 42 seems to be an optimal boat but I can see having other toys being that you only have a few months of boating up there.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Not sure if it makes sense for the 32 and 28 market considering the difference in materials and schedules, which would ultimately change the price points of the boats. Time will tell though.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Was on Mentalpauses boat at the Shootout, I thought the boat had some neat features throughout. Sunsation put alot of thought into the ergonomics. very nice Mcloed interior, nice rigging,The hull seemed solid, fit finish was nice and performance for that size of boat was very good, I know John is happy with it, There 28 and 32 are very good boats for the money. Comparing it to the big three is very complicated as each manufacturer has carved it's own niche in the market.Nortech purposely avoids the race thing as they are interested in the high end pleasure market, I would be happy with any of them.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

have you looked at the new 33 A.T. ? smaller than your tiger and will still give you the ride quality. I know I'm a little off subject but I thought maybe a change would help. this doesn't seem to going anywhere good. I do hope you find what you want I think I understand what you are trying to do, good luck its tough to down size. Check out the new Power Boat mag good review of the 33 and A.T.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Hey Drypipe I've got a 43 Scarab for sale & I haven't been able to top 90 yet (is that slow enough). I think I seen video on your boat a while back very cool keep the noise. Hey JS I'm working on my homework any idea on when the test is. How's this for homework. Summer of 05 myself & co-workers took a Ford Nascar Craftsman Truck to Audi's full scale rollin road tunnel in germany. They (Audi) where finishing testing on the new Bugatti Veyron. I believe Audi has some or all of the ownership in Bugatti now. Does this mean a new Bugatti has the A/C controls out of your wife A8? Just wondeering?

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

It hasn't made too much progress lately (that I'm aware of). It is schedualed to enter the paint booth Feb.19th, which is the day I'm leaving Florida:mad: I thought it would have been painted, but you know how the build process goes:rolleyes: But overall I should be in good shape for May delivery. It won't do me much good right now here its barely above zero out right now.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

NEW SUTPHEN 32, single, or twins great for the ocean rough water boat, 28footer joker check them out if you like rough water running. I was in the sut 32 with 850hp single when they called of the cape race because of winds blowing sea's to rough, I THINK IT WAS 04 WE WERE RUNNING 75GPS NO SWEAT GETTIN AIR FLY STRAIGHT NICE LANDINGS.:D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I think Ciagarettes racing heritage speaks for itself. The "World Champion Race Team" on the side of Cigarettes is well deserved. Cigarette has been in and out of racing and winning world championships longer than anyone else in the game
(though it's been 6 years since they won a world championship).

That being said. I would like to see them on the race course or at least help their racers. But I understand why they dont...They don't need too, they have nothing to prove and there's no money in it.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

One of my favorite new hulls out. I think Pat did an outstanding job on that boat.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

No argument on the 33 AT, looks like a great boat. If one were looking at 33-34 boats, another boat that would be worth looking at is the 34 saber.:cool:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

So the NY Jets should call themselves the World
champion NY Jets because they won a superbowl
in 1968 ? Sorry. Cig builds a great boat,but IMO
you can only call yourself a world champion if you
won in that same year. Not 20 years and 6 owners
ago.
It is a nice looking logo though.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Sorry Neil, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I was thinkin the same thing, well put!:drink:

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Sunsation says World Champion in there logo too.:D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

Where is Norty to make a comment about Sunsation not being compared to Formula?............. :D

Re: Comparable to Cig, Outerlimits, & Nortech
 

I understand what you're saying (and knew you were going to say something along those lines). I guess it boils down to personal opinion.

Does Cigarette build "world champion racing boats"?? Yes, no doubt they have.

Does the majority of performance boaters know the racing heritage of Cig? Yes.

Do they have a "world champion racing team" right now? No.

I think if you have a long and distinguished racing history with a proven company/product (like Cigarette) then you should be able to put it on the side of your boat.

I think Apache could put on the side of thier prodect "World Champion Racing Boats". (I can't believe I'm about to say this) Just like I think Fountain has earned the right, though they don't.

Go out and win one or two world championships here and there (where people have to question whether you've ever won one because no one remembers!) No, I don't think that counts. Be a dominant force on the offhore circuit (like fountain has in recent years and Cigarette was for many years past) yea, I think that qualifies.

I guess it comes down to Simantics, "World Champion Racing Boats"? no doubt. "World Champion Racing Team"? Not right this minute, no.

Just my .02