Wasn't scalded asking about 24 degree v's that can sleep in the cabin?


UD

Sounds perfect to me. Got a couple buddies running 27 based hulls and they are all around 900 hp running in those speeds. Who knows for sure every one seems to lie haha. Also depends on year of 27 hull some are faster even though some say there's no change.

I believe I called you and talked to you about running a surface drive on it. Wish we would have went that routenbut the transom was already cut and prepped for mercury style drives. And the bravo replacement you sell wouldn't make the rating of torque and hp.

The transom cutout does not matter with our drive kit and the kit can handle the power. I have a customer with a 900 ish (so they say) motor and heard speeds of 118 ball park but a lot of gossip of them in the 130's which is quite a spread and would like to know what to expect.... Thanks!!!

Don't think it slowed my boat down Smitty, I just took it for granted it did because yours slowed down with the Stellings. I didn't really get a chance to compare it to the stock set-up but do know the boat handles the rough stuff alot better now....:drink: If it did slow it down it's not coming off.....:lolhit:

Damn UD, that is one sweet ride......:drink: That has everything mine has plus 2 flat screens and AC to boot.....:eek:. That ride is very well laid out my friend......:ernaehrung004: Very impressive I must say and thanks for the pics! I'm taking that an Ilmore 710 is around 700HP? Can't say I've seen one around here. I have found that your ride, the Velocity, Joker 28 and 25 Active Thunder are close in comparison and definitely more efficient than my 25 Outlaw. What do you think?

Thanks!. I wanted a fast all rounder and focused on amenities and situational awareness first and speed second.

I think you zeroed in on the ones I like minus maybe the pantera whose 28 is pretty neat and big water capable.

Yes the ilmor 710 is 700HP 10 cylinder fuel injected, no blower, and all aluminum so its very light. Idles like a kitten, screams like a 2 stroke banshee with a howl between a BBc and a lamborghini.

I like Velocities. Im not sure the velocity is a 24 degree V like the very fast Howard Bullett which isn't either- but velocities are always fast for their length- always. I also do not know if velocity vac bags their product.

Only a few of these hulls have been raced and proven in an apple to apples environment. Joker has the only race record better than the 2750 (although I don't know if they swept OSS 100% in any year like the 2750 did twice) and makes a fast light hull, but Im not sure they have the gelcoat quality and interior detail amenities the Lavey has. I can't really find lots of detail interior picts of the joker, but would be curious to see what actually molded vs whats inserted after as part of an interior.

The east coast boats typically have bolt on swim steps & windshields and west coast boats typically have them molded in.

East coast boats also typically apply paint externally to the hull and West Coast boats typically spray gelcoat in the mold process.

Ive never been interested in Bajas simply because for the same or a bit more money one can have a truly custom boat made they way they want it vs picked out off a showroom. All the ones I have been in had things that drive me nuts but I wouldn't call any of them "bad" just compromised by assembly line production limitations.

I like AT's. The 25 AT is a huge 25. People love their AT's but the 25 hasn't been made for some time now. A guy named spillman had a nice one for sale.

I run in zero vis condition you see above and although this site says "offshore" very few here leave sight of land or can navigate effectively at night in major commercial traffic areas like I do all the time.

Take your time and look at ALL the details in this class. There are lots of little differences in all of these boats that contribute or detract to living life with them.




Uncle Dave

There's another guy on here claiming his 27 runs 130mph we have called him out over and over never happens. It's real hard to get them to run that fast. We figured for every hour of use was 5hrs maintenance. Not fun boating. But to push those speeds compared to a 25 is a miracle. Id say 90% lie about there speed until you get into a certain caliber. Fun to run them down when you run a 127 and they claim 130 lol. It would take an honest 1200 hp perfect water, humidity, propping to run an honest 130 in my opinion. Not saying it can't be done but things have to be perfect. We flew two different tuners out first motor was a quad rotor motor (POS). Then went to pfaff.

Man Im loving your Boat......:drink: I love the quality they put in the Laveycrafts! Reason I started this thread was to see what was out there. The only reason I chose a 25 Outlaw was my budget at the time but have realized over the last 5 years that it takes a crap load of horsepower and money just to get one in the 80's......:eek: I'm entertaining the idea over the next couple of years on a faster hull with the same amenities. If I continue to have good luck with my powerplant that is......:angry-smiley-038:. I really enjoy talking and meeting new people who have the same passion for boating that I do!Thanks for sharing with me and its a shame your all the way over on the west coast for I'd love to see your ride and meet you too boot.....:ernaehrung004:

Do you have some pictures you can share with us that are apples 2 apples with my 25 Outlaw and the Laveycraft? :drink:

Thanks, I was wanting to know what to honestly expect from things. Different stories from different people as you stated and it is hard to decipher the b.s. from the "o so rare" truth. :D

I'll try to see 110+ with a 32 Activator w #6 drive and 1100hp...

No cabin, no cup holders, no big $$$ stereo or other useless crap like that.....

It's not a dead flat condition boat ........ ;)



Mange

I swear the speeds that people claim go higher and higher with the amount of alcohol they have!!! With the single vee's I run acrossed I constantly have to hear about this guys/that guys Baja outlaw runs low to mid 70's STOCK:bsflag:, funny that it took 650 hp to get mine in the mid 70's, of course when I pace them they can't break 65mph stock EVER! +. The guys who's boats run mid 70's claim their in the 80's and the guys who run close or into the triple digits do the opposite and claim low 90's or claim they don't know so they can reel in races.
"We figured for every hour of use was 5hrs maintenance. Not fun boating" - I know THAT feeling, I find myself staying out of the boost and cruising around 60-65 more these days then holding it wide open, you just get tired of pouring money into replacing parts/repairs.
Laveycraft-Man that is a SWEET looking boat! I remember seeing the story in one of the mags or ads about how fast they will go with very little power, that is very impressive!, Smitty

From a quality, construction, amenity and any other measure you choose standpoint, Baja isn't even on the same planet as Laveycraft. Simply no comparison.

but smitty he kepted the factory x, so now his drive is 1'' deeper. you know my 24ol picked up a lot and the 25ol from germany did too. he had the raised 3'' box plus 1'' shortie for his last I talked to him with the 600sc and was around 87 89 gps. a friends sutphen 31 single has a shortie with a propshaft height of 3 3/8'' . he is running 94 tplus from 91 without. also he has the 1.36 gears and runs a 26b1. he gets more bow lift with the gear change lower prop. he had a 32b1 with 1.50 gears.I am still working on the saber with knot right=Gerry. we have a 3'' drive height x was raised from 14'' to 17 1/2''. will be testing in a week or to. art

Aint that the truth, everytime you hear about this super fast boat, be it a single or a twin,, It never seems to run for 1 reason or another when you finially catch up with it out on the water.. then there's always alist of reasons why it didnt run what they say... WHAT A JOKE..

I'm glad your having good luck this season with it! Just keep it at 700HP and be happy with an 82 MPH boat.....you already know what will happen if you start messing with it. If you want a faster boat, get a different hull.

Now, if I could just get mine to 80 I'd be happy. Waiting to get my hands on a scan tool to see what's going on in it. Something just isn't adding up.

~ Wayne

Thanks for the compliment I struggled with many self inflicted compromises on my boat build, but am very happy with what I have although if I did it again I would change a few things.

The work per boat hours is why I dont bother with trying to be the fastest anymore- Im done with that noise.

You are one of the few true experts here on outdrives (Dick is pretty good too) so you understand the 900-1200 HP cats with bravos what the money per hour ratio really is.

On the ocean any decently powered 28 can always go faster than the water allows 95% of the time anyway so a hull that can handle the swells and chop with a fuel efficient engine with enough power to run near the front of a fast "pack" is good enough for me.

Less practical but more speed the superlight 28 Evo runs 105 with the same 710. Super cool but its just isnt practical enough for what I do I need a cabin, nav, and entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apWZkv_f4bc

Heres a 28 evo with an Ilmor 650 running with a hustler 35 in open water and holding its own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQjK6...eature=related


Scalded Dawg- 82 MPH is a really fast boat. No doubt you've found it likely very much faster than almost every other "80" mph boat when reality sets in.

If I were you id call it a day and just enjoy it.

Uncle Dave

The guy driving that 28 Evo knows a thing or two about trimming and driving. Man that looked like fun!

And for those that say they're going 20 MPH faster than you - except you just whupped them - my sister had the ultimate line back at the launch ramp once. We'd just totally walked away from a 24 Outlaw who claimed he was doing 86 MPH. When he asked how fast I was going when I passed him, Amy just said "Faster than you." Oh, hurts so good! (I'm doing 76 on GPS.)

Brutal kick in the nuts no doubt.

Welcome to the 10 MPH lie.

It isn't always intentional mendacity though.

When our industry shifted from pitot tube pickup speedos to GPS's we all lost 10MPH overnight.

Uncle Dave

That is not the case on my boat. The Imco neutral box figured in the degree of my transom on my application for some reason. I had a 71/2" prop shaft height stock, now with a 2" shorty and box I am at 51/4".....:drink:. The 25 your speaking of must be "Wilcard" and what a sweet 25 that is.....:eek: Wish I had Mercurys help on mine and someone that could really dial it in! Good luck with your testing and keep us in the loop on your results.....:ernaehrung004:

SD, your boat runs real good based on what I saw at St. Clair. If it is staying together have fun with it. Laughing about all the speed lie comments. Ran with a friend this weekend, walked away from him easily. At the next stop, he says "how fast were you going?", I say almost 75GPS, thats all I got. He's like, mine runs 78-79 all the time, how are you passing me? I just smile lol. When it comes down to it as stated previously, when the water kicks up, they are all plenty fast. Thats were mine shines, 70 in 3-4's makes almost everyone else disappear.

Hahahaha, we always call a GPS the "Lie Dectector". The guys that run 70 and tell eveyone they run 80 hate it!

2003 lavey 21xci open bow all stock with 2 in the boat gps at 77 mph trying to hit 80! With both tanks half full and glassy water

The ext box whacked 5+ mph off my top end and killed the boats ability to carry bow in rough water no matter what prop I used and shortie would let boat blow out around 95 mph, drop the bow and try to swap ends. I think that stuff might have helped mine when I only had 700-750 hp and was running in the high 70's/low 80's but I really feel as mine goes faster it rides higher and it reaches a point where moving drive up makes it lose all it's bite, 5 blade might help but with 1000 plus ft lbs of tq I have already seen how fast you can break billet shafts when I tried them, I have all the top end I can use so I quit trying to go even faster, Smitty

Heres is Quents beautiful 100+MPH 2750 Mid Cabin Open Bow.

I copied Quents paint style he on his 24 bowrider with a 710 in it.

1000HP Dustin whipple BBC on 93 octane.
950 on 91
SCX upper Sc lower.

I wish I had my hatch pad made like this with the cushion surrounding the vent as pad is much easier on the elbows.

I also like how Kevlar looks in the mold.

Thought it was worth throwing out there.


Uncle Dave

Oh...That was a temp trailer for testing purposes in case anyone wonders WTF on that.

UD

Smitty, did you ever look at the bottom of your boat, the way it's designed

...Ilmor 625... Hustler 388 Slingshot... :drink:

I like to under promise & over deliver.

Hope you are well Jr!

UD

Dave I wished we lived near each other, I use to love going on long trips with my baja back in the 90s. we put in one day for a 100 to 120 mile run to watch a US OFFSHORE RACE , here in new england. everyone else would trailer to the race. we had a high speed compass only I charted out a route and at one point it was 18 miles between cans. oh there was fog at the start 1/8 of a mile visibility wich opened up to 1 mile. we hit every can. once at the race site it was worst about 50 to 100 ft. The CC were at the starting line looking at us in there 140footer. we told them we came from south of Boston. two hours later they had the race in about 3 or more miles visibility and the race boats went off track for the 1st two laps. on the way home visibility back to a mile or two plus rain. we made it back fine. ok back to the boats I'll post my speeds as soon as we are in the water. I think the SABER HULL is a very strong hull after changing the gas tank and seeing rhe lay up.They build a solid hull all balsa cored vinlyester lots of layers in the right spots. both chines go all the way back. some people think there slow but, back in the 80s and 90s there singles had a deep X, like 14''. my new Xis 17 1/2''. which should wake up the hull. there twins were 85mph for 85 grand. they came with 502 merc 465hps one owner had his running 87 out of the box. the 500hps were faster and another engine builder on here was in one he repowered with 600s I think that did 104 and 110. I hope to break a 100 very soon. :party-smiley-004: art

so you have a shortie Great, that helps mine had just the 2'' shortie and it handled so much better in rough ocean water. yes wildcard he had the 3'' raised box. all the guys around me that have there propshafts shorter have picked up more speed and handling. Boxer the sutphin 31 has a 1200hp motor going in it and he bought back his old 26 footer which ran in p4 back inthe day and when propped right was at 98 with 800 to 850 hp. thats going to be fin ished soon. on the boxes when you go out 12'' your prop thinks its in 1'' deeper water. thats why the 3'' raised box is great you really pick up 2'' water to prop. so when wildcard did it he ended up with another 2'' shortie but it was just a little to high so he added a 1'' spacer with a total of4''raised drive but the boat thinks it 3''. I am starting high with my konrad 3'' shaft height because I can go down but not up. theres some singles running 2'' propshaft height but those are more of the step bottom boats. if you keep your boat and want more speed you could have someone sharpen your transom and chines like the sutphens have a very sharp edge on both which helps with speed. well I'll post on the saber as soon as we go out its been a 2yr project. right now headers are hitting power stairing and alt brackets:angry-smiley-038:. big azz headers starting to think too big.:eek:

Good luck on your quest for 100 Art. Should you make it out here Id love to go for a ride.

I dont know Sabre, but Balsa and vinlyester when packaged correctly make for one stout hull that also lasts a loong time.

Ocean Navigation with no visibility and just a compass takes more balls than a chinese ping pong tournament. Ive done it, but wont recommend it thats for sure. Im not so worried about me, but its my family cargo and friends Im looking to keep safe and secure. Problem I have is that one of the busiest ports in the world is between me and my most common destinations so I take all the precautions money can buy.

Cant wait to see your new rig.





Uncle Dave

:evilb:The Velocity 28 is fast and handles like sports car . I have driven a couple boats in-between 22&36ft . If you know what your doing the velocity is just one of the best thats my opinion (Not an actual spokes person ):evilb:

It was Uncle Dave's testimony on how well Lavey Craft's handled the rough that was the determining factor in my decision to purchase one. I was extremely surprised at the efficiency of the hull, with respect to both handling the rough and fuel efficiency. My boat runs 77gps any day and 79 with perfect water temp, chop, labbed prop, wind, everything out of the boat and 1/4 tank and ZERO chine walk or tracking problems. Tried to hit 80 this summer, just couldn't do it. So the original thread asked what's the fastest without sacrificing ride. I'm not saying Lavey Craft makes the fastest, but I will say there are not too many boats you can keep dumping more power into without sacrificing the ride and keep increasing speed, Lavey Craft is definitely one of them.

Gotta love it! They say "no rest for the wicked!" lol. Keep us posted and thanks for the pointers. Just glad I've had a trouble free season so far.........
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Very nice ride UD! Damn your wanting to make me sell my Baja the more and more you keep posting pictures.....lol. I'll will keep it in this economy for I think things are gonna get worse and I'm done dumping money into boats........:angry-smiley-038:

HA HAH:coolcowboy: that was in 94 I had big balls back then, I have a nice Garmin going in the saber. and sure on the ride. we are getting there faster than I think next week looks possible thanks to Gerry knot right and Mike slick stinger yesterday I did most of the handing tools to them. the hull sounds like steel when you bang on it inside. I hope the glass work I did holds we used kevlar for the gas tank. I will post later this week on the saber section and try to post pics. for speed I hope the box and higher drive height do it with Dean Gellner power. Art

hehehehehe, it sure is.
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