To be clear, the boat runs 103 mph with the stock 600, many have verified this. It will run roughly 113mph stage 3. The boat is unlike any others. The boat ran 97 mph with 5 guys totaling over 1000lbs and another 200lbs of beer and junk with more to go. This is with the guys from mercury racing in it, in havasu, very hot outside. I can guarantee that this boat is this fast.

2 productions and 1 prototype, along with others in production. There is not stopping production and there is nothing wrong with the design. There was some chop and rollers, and there was a mechanical issue.

A statement like this is silly. Do you know how many boats out there should never be sold? This boat is the safest single engine and best single engine v I've ever been in. This will be back in the water and the others are gonna be hitting the water soon. Time will show what a different boat this is. Keep in mind that most boats are destroyed during roll overs or at least have significant damage.

Five dudes in that boat going 97 in Havasu is not a sausage fest, it's a wienie roast. :evilb:

You realize gd was not the first cat? Gd had new type of engine packages that had massive issues. The boat runs really well now and ran great with the merc 1200s. The original owner knew they would need some testing but never got the engine package to survive and therefore setting up the boat was impossible.

The 29 was tested far more than most boats and changes were made before they took production orders.

Statements like this really have zero significance towards the topic at hand and are made from ones who have little or know facts on the true story.

Not buying it brother, sorry. Six hundred horsepower is not pushing a v bottom of that size to 103 mph. If the supercharger is doctored then we have a different scenario of course.

What does the boat weigh, 3000 lbs? Then maybe. When I saw the boat in Miami it looked like a teeny tiny boat in terms of its freeboard. Not a large boat at all for its length. That's not a criticism - just a statement and an observation that it was designed in a certain way to attain a cerain efficiency.

But still - there's nothing so ground breaking about Mike's newest creation that it would go 20 miles/hour faster than the other fastest vee bottoms out there with the same power such as boats from Howard Custom Boats, Laveycraft, Sunsation, Hustler, etc. I love a good vee but a vee can't be made into a thing that has the efficiency of a cat.

I was in the same boat for a test for Boating magazine on a day that had winds gusting to 15 knots and 2' to 3' chop on the same body of water where it rolled. The boat ran 101 mph and change on GPS. I had my 11-year-old son in the boat and, after driving it myself, would not think twice about taking him in the same model again. I made slalom turns at 50 mph and the boat responded perfectly. After about 10 minutes behind the wheel, I had it up to 100 mph and felt comfortable and in control.

Eric Colby

give mem3steps like thesong says not on a 29:lolhit:

Unless you really look at the bottom of the boat and truly understand what is going on, you shouldn't say anything about the boat. Its not as light as you think, its just the next step in V bottom design. Have taken a couple of rides in the 29 as well as most other outer limits models, this boat by far (for its size) rides very well.

I agree . I think outerlimits has hit on a new advancement on vee bottom technology. I bet they will incorporate some of this technology in all their models. I would love to see a surface drive on it so they could put a surface peircing prop on it, id bet 110 would not be out of the question

I've seen the bottom of the boat. In person at the Miami show. It was the orange boat which is the topic of this thread.

Vee bottom boats today are being greatly improved by the premier boat manufacturers. I appreciate that. But this is not rocket science and there has been no great discovery. The basic physical concepts of drag and bottom configuration (v) remain the same. Those concepts can be tweaked better and better but there is a limit to what can be done with a certain bottom configuration. That's all I'm trying to say. The folks at OL naturally have connections with folks in the supercharging industry and with Mercury to be sure - and they have experience building their own engines as they made some progress for themselves in that field - and until a third party purchases one with said stock power and can verify the top speed number, for now I would say the claims are highly interesting if true *but* they are not yet verified in my opinion. I think others would agree precisely because 600 horsepower could hardly push a 29 foot cat to 103 mph (okay it might push a 29 foot cat to a little more than 103), and a vee bottom is way inferior to a cat in terms of its efficiency.

Not being a hater at all - it just doesn't make sense at 600 horsepower. It was claimed that a 525 29SV hits 90 (which is its own substantial claim), so how is 75 horsepower giving us and additional 13 mph?

The boat does go over a 100 i was on it and was on guardian at 5300. If the box was touched the first thing dustin would do is raise the rev limiter. There is the white one at performance marine with a warrantee i would think that one would be stock, and goes 100. I know its hard to believe but some outer limits are close in speed to some cats, the gap is closing(with smaller power). My 43 ran 118, how fast is a 40 mti with 700?

I think they have got the white one to 97. A 40 mti will run 130 plus

97 still good speed. Think mike delivered that boat with a prop a little small for all around use. Speeds are still great.

I think a 40 MTI with 525s runs around 120, right?

Unless you really look at the bottom of the boat and truly understand what is going on, you shouldn't say anything about the boat. Why can't people voice their opinion? It is an open forum, on the internet. People can voice their opinion right or wrong. If the post is wrong educate and inform the person of why it is wrong, and teach us, I am like a sponge for information, you may be helping many to understand the bottom design and why it works, and what the limitations may or may not be when driving this boat.

A statement like this is silly. Do you know how many boats out there should never be sold? in bold is the reply to post #135 that Sbarberdds posted - Answer - boats that injure or kill their buyers should never be sold. If they do injure or kill their buyer, not due to operator error or negligence, the manufacturer will be held accountable. This is not opinion but fact. This is not applicable to your OL 29' pleasure boat in my opinion, my opinion is worth $0.00.

Are you planning on plunking down 200 large to buy one? If not, STFU, it's none of your business Tex the reply to from post #131 to TexomaPowerboater, that is just out line. I realize you are responding to someone else not me, but none-the-less this is an open forum on the internet. I cannot afford to plunk down $200K so I have to keep my mouth shut? It offends not only becasue you tell someone they can't ask or voice their opinion, but you also link being less wealthy to keeping your mouth shut. I am not upset with you, but that post is just rude to common folk like me. I like boats but since I cannot afford the 29' OL boat or others like me who cannot afford to spend $200K now on a new OL 29', I have to shut the f*ck up? Not gonna happen.

Listen I like the boat, if it will run 103 mph with a stock 600 what is not to like? I do not like anyone telling anyone else on this forum they cannot post their opinion. I believe that the boat is safe, but an accident happened, no one was hurt, the boat is OK, it is fast. But if you don't like what someone is saying telling them to shut up is not an answer in an open forum .

But for all the hype and BS about the new OL 29' (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...emier-day.html) from an earlier thread there wouldn't be the scrutiny and curiosity about this boat and this boat has/had generated a ton of free interest (here on OSO) which was OK when it is was all good, so now an accident happened, take the good with bad. And it really doesn't sound that bad, but there will always be skepticism from the doubters, you will just have to make them believers on the water, and not on the internet.

My $.02 opinion for the day.

Another vaild question, nothing wrong with asking.

Is this your Sunday rate? :p

$.02 is two cents too much even on Sunday. I should go to church it is Sunday morning.

I am always amazed here on OSO how these threads get so magnaified with all the digressions and menusha of comments, diareha of knowledge and personal chest puffing and antagnonism that develops from a fairly straight forward single event!

Having been tossed from a boat a speed twice in my life it's not an event to be taken lightly and it always has a high risk of injury and even sometimes worse, however the things that can cause it are many and when it happens you can only hope for the eventualities of what happened to Mike and his crew:
1. They are all safe and without major injuries!
2. The boat appears to be lightly damaged and can be easily repaired!
3. Almost any high performance boat at speeds like these can roll if the condition appears, be it tab, wake or driver error!
4. ANY 29 foot boat at 100mph speeds is a handful at times and anybody who just thinks that new boats should be on rails and not have to worrry about high speed handling is a FOOL and has probably no excuse for being in one as an owner or operator!

Dustin is about as close to OL on this forum as anyone and if he says the tab down from false indicator was the primary cause then I can accept that and move on. I believe Mike Fiore indicated that to someone on another forum. I am sure when this boat reappears it may have mechanical tab indicators or much more reliable and properly functioning LED tab indicator.

So for the rest of you negatvie and opining Buzzards, quit circling the prey, bashing this great new boat and start new threads to talk about boat handling and mishandling in another place. Just be greatful this did not happen to you and that the sport of performance boating was not damaged by a more tragic accident possibility!

Sorry,:angry-smiley-038: but this has to be said here on OSO sometimes!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

I have read this entire post....

Where are the pictures of the boat....upside down?

Chris

I really need to strongly disagree with the various statements made here about how "any 100+ mph boat can roll over" and how dangerous it is at those speeds and every other similar comment.

Of course, when we walk off our front stoops in the morning we can trip and crack our heads open. I understand that. But the trick is to avoid those possibilities at all costs.

Here's the thing. You *shouldn't* be going 100+ miles/hour in water conditions that don't make it safe. Period and end of story. You don't do it in a cross chop and not in a single engine boat in a cross chop for sure. You do it head into a light chop, in calm water, or in other conditions that are conducive to safe, high speed running without random variables such as cross chop, wake, lobster traps, etc. etc.

If you flip a boat it's very likely that you f*cked up. END OF STORY. *UNLESS* something mechanical failed you such as a tab, steering cable, throttle cable, etc. That we all sympathize with. Of course, though, those elements of bad luck are more likely overcome by driver skill when conditions are more permissible for high speed. If Murphy's law kicks in during the presence of rough water, cross chop, wake, etc. the driver is far less likely to succeed in overcoming it. Also, f*cking up doesn't make someone incompetent or a bad person. The best among us can screw up for a moment or for a few moments.

But don't talk to me about how rough it was, there was a big wave, etc. You shouldn't be out there doing that in those conditions. That's driver error and risk taking. Now I understand that some people enjoy the thrill and the challenge of overcoming such variables and certainly any grown man is free to make choices as he sees fit. But in those cases, excuses become less valid.

The trick is the succeed in not flipping a boat EVER - and that means don't go 100 mph if conditions don't guarantee vessel stability. I'm not a preacher or a high-handed know-it-all, but I've been running at 100+ miles/hour for maybe 1000 hours myself for almost 20 years and I know well enough not to eff around and approach the limits of the laws of physics. I know plenty of people including a few family members who have been thrown out of boats. I attribute my own perfect record less to good luck than to sound judgment.

In calm water or the correct amount of light chop, a damn boat operated by someone with good judgment and a cetain skillset is not going to flip on its own and I don't care if it's going 150 mph.

What I am saying does not necessarily apply to Mike from OL or anything else pertaining to this unfortunate incident because 1) I am not certain of the facts and I don't think I ever will be, and 2) I am not here to judge the incident. I am just talking in general and going forward. I am just tired of hearing people talk about how dangerous 100+ miles/hour is on the water and taking so much crap from people over the years - it's a uniquely enjoyable experience that needs to be done when conditions permit.

Bad luck can happen to me too and I certainly hope it doesn't and I am certainly grateful that Mike and the guys were lucky enough to walk away without a scratch. I am also grateful that we are not having a different discussion should any of the vessel occupants have been injured or killed, because I guarantee you that would be a very different and emotionally exhausting discussion.

Let the people speak their mind, right or wrong. I like the OL 29' but if someone has a different critical opinion I'd like to hear it, and have a conclusion drawn on facts. Educate, don't stiffle the flow of thoughts and ideas....

Overall I am in agreement with you.

Buzzards circling and bashing the boat. Are we reading the same thread? I see an intelligent discussion. A big factor also is that this is a new and unproven model that has already crashed at lower speed. Quoted from the press item: “We weren’t going very fast,” Mr. Makepeace said, as he was being tended to by medical personnel. “We just kind of caught a wave.” Let the discussion continue.

FYI.......aren't "LED" indicators driven by a mechanical device? Reminds me of the movie Top Gun where Maverick taps on a digital gas gauge on the dash saying they are nearly out of fuel. LOL

Ok, so I didn't want to touch this thread with a ten foot pole. But it seems to be going a bit nuts concerning a very serious issue. I was one of the first guys to say that boat could never go that fast in any water with much more than 1 footers. That being said I believe the original explanation from Mike was that they were going into a hard turn and it sounds like what he is saying is that he kept lowering the tab because the LED reading showed it still up. By the time he could realize there was a problem it was too late. Certainly, if that is in fact what happened than it is not hard to believe the boat could have flipped. No issues with the boat. It's driver error caused by a faulty gauge. Simple!
BTW I think it's Goose not Maverick hitting the fuel gauge. "We have no time for this Mav, we are way low on fuel".

Egad Goose! This powerboat rolling business makes for an engaging thread! No fuel left? Start flapping your arms. Low post count? Start flapping your gums. Flaps screwed up? Time for a dunk! We are auguring in!!!
Mav

exactly. continue on. Great thread. raylar just has an opinion like everyone else.

funny how life works... I have followed this thread from post 3...

yesterday runnin 55mph I had a trim tab solenoid go haywire and it buried a tab... sh*t happens, but it was an eye opener.

glad everyone is ok.

IMO, you do not buy or own a boat that size, capable of those speeds (or even ride in one!) unless you are willing to go for a swim.
A boat that size/speed throws a blade, sticks a motor, etc, etc, you're most likely going for a swim.
None of which has anything to do w/the quality of hull and normally the part that broke.
How many realize that surfacing a prop makes it a wearable part?? It has a life cycle and it will eventually fail. Ideally we find it is as a crack while doing our pre-flight inspection (saved my ass many a time) and before it becomes a catastrophic event. Assuming we actually do one.
If you are absolutely, positively not willing to risk any of the above you have no business owning or being in one of these monsters.
Wonder how many passengers in the 100+ MPH poker run boats understand this??
How bought this? Your buddy works at a shop specializing in Hi Perf Porsches and offers you a ride.
He over cooks a corner and puts it into a wall. Do you get out blaming the car and bad mouthing it to every one that will listen or write off that you should have known better?
Just sayin.....

There is an epidemic of ORANGE and BLACK boats rolling over lately. Same ole story, No pics on OSO, not the manufactures fault, etc etc. Its all politics. :lolhit:

Can someone tell me if the boat was turning right or left when it flipped over?

Well put!

Kurt

Thanks Twin O/B... you restored my faith in common sense....

They get an attorney and end up with half a million tax free dollars.

Fine with me as long as the salesman discloses that before the boat is sold. These guys won't even say how fast they were going or if they were turning so really hard to make any of these statements or assumptions without more information. People want to know how risky the boat is. Doesn't seem like OL really cares. When some people die they will care.

What makes you think they don't care? How the hell do you know what they think or what they care about?

I am sure if you were a customer or really interested in the boat they would ask any question you have.

Just because they don't come on here and tell the story does not say anything about what they care about.

MP

Wish they would just respond to the original reports where the two in the boat said they caught a bad wave and were not going that fast. Then someone said it was a tab down to far and the boat was out for a speed run at over 100mph, which was it? Just tell us all the truth so the rumors are stopped.

The person going for a demo ride in the boat said they hit a wave. The person that stayed with the boat was Mike Fiore , ( who was driving) and he said that the tab indicator malfunctioned, causing the boat to do something he didnt expect. Not that hard to understand....

I heard around 80 / 85. Pass legs is what took windshield off. Reliable source.

Best of luck to outerlimits & parties involved.

Imo still a very cool single

It is not hard to understand but you have two different versions of the same incident with two people who were in the SAME boat. Driver says tab down, passenger says hit a wave. Which one factor was the cause? Or was it both factors (tab and wave) simultaneously? Or is there just some bullsh*t factor going on here? You are a frequent defender of the infallableness of OL. I like OL, I just don't buy the bullsh*t. It is getting old pretty quick.