Why don't you call Outerlimits and ask them yourself if you need the answer so badly? I'm sure when you tell them you are very interested in buying a new 29 they will fill you in. Wait...are you interested in buying a new 29?

No point in OL posting about it. It's just ammo for keyboard jokeys to make it through their boring days:poopoo::whistle:

+1 i still run My boat every weekend. :party-smiley-004:

Exactly smarty, just interested what truly happened, heard so many versions. Did fiore post somewhere on here his version?

If asking a simple question about the safety of a new boat for any potential ol customers is such a secret there might be a problem. I just think the truth should be told once and for all by ol so we all know the facts. Who knows i may be a customer in the near future.

No he did not. Here is how I can make that claim.

1. http://www.eastbayri.com/news/2012/may/15/boat-flip/ -1direct passenger statement:

A rescue boat transported one of the boat’s occupants, John Makepeace, to the shore where rescue personnel were awaiting.

“We weren’t going very fast,” Mr. Makepeace said, as he was being tended to by medical personnel. “We just kind of caught a wave.”


2. http://midwestboatparty.com/forum/sh...-the-29OL-Roll

Second-hand information:

Mike Fiore and friend were out pushing the limits and having fun in the 29. It ran well into the 100's with some tweaks. Mike called me last night and said he had a tab dragging and the indicator did not reflect that. He went into the turn, said it didn't feel quiet right an pushed through it. Rolled and ejected them. Both are alright. Mike was upbeat about the issue. Said its a mechanical issue and the supplier would rectify the issue. It will be back on the water ASAP!

This is all in earlier posts, hope that answers your question. There is not a direct statement from Michael Fiore, there are statements in this thread from WhippleCharged and Animalhouse (OL affiliated) that support the trim indicator failure/tab deployed scenario.

I like the boat, but I wouldn't spend $200K for it, if it were $100K then I would be real intertested; I am not their target customer.

What the hell is going on here. it's a boat, any boat can flip/roll/sink, Look at the Titanic for crying out loud.

That is why they test and test boats, if there is a problem it will be fixed, no matter if its a tab or whatever it's not like we are talking about a Commander boat here. ( but that's another story and Outerlimits is way above and beyond the quality of a Commander)

Ask Tres Martin how many times he has been thrown from his own boat, he pushed and pushed the limits so he knew what to look out for.

I doubt that there is a single high performance boat manufacture that hasn't had one of there boats underwater.

What is going on is that there was such a tremendous amount of hype with the future design of the 29' OL, the build of the 29' OL, and then finally the finished product.

Now that the boat is finally here it has an accident, people are curious.

As far as getting wet, I have been boating for 40+ years and have only capsized once, I was six years old in an 11' aluminum boat with a 5.5 hp Evinrude with a tiller arm jumping boat waves in Absecon inlet (1971). As an adult either driving or a passenger, in a Cigarette, Magnum, Pantera, multiple Donzi's, and now a Phantom, I was never ejected or capsized, nor do I have an expectation of such an event occurring.

And I have been a passenger boat that made an extreme hard turn at 85 mph without hesitation (boat handled great) or incident (27' Magnum Sport, my father was driving had to make an emergency turn). So maybe it it not always the drivers fault, some boats just maybe be safer than other boats.

I am not the least bit concerned at the present time about whether the 29' OL is safe or unsafe, it has been written in post #161 that the boat felt fine when E Colby was driving it, and I will take his word as truthful and intelligent, so to me the boat is OK. I will not be buying this 29' OL so I am done with this thread, bottonline - no one was hurt, that is all that matters. Accidents happen.

It has been an interesting thread.

Dragon and Statement? :D :drink::drink:

I'm just stating the FACTS for those who are interested. The point is this. Do you think the passenger going out for a demo run knows as much as the builder/ owner / driver/ throttleman ? Do you think the passenger was aware of the exact drive, tab , throttle and trim settings to the extent that Mike Fiore was? May there have been a wave involved thad due to the altered tab setting cause the boat to react in a way mike didnt anticipate? Yes. It was a simple mechanical mishap, stop trying to make it into something that it's not . Plain and simple.

Well John Makepeace does own a 51' outerlimits w/ 1375hp engines and runs his boat hard.I believe he's owned a couple of ol's.

I am not making it into anything. Not my problem. You write, "May there have been a wave involved thad due to the altered tab setting cause the boat to react in a way mike didnt anticipate?" That is an assumption not FACTS, the operative word is MAY in your sentence, meaning you do not know, nor where you there, Mr. Makepeace was.

Enough of this nonsense if you read any of my posts in this thread I say it is an accident; I take the information given as accurate. Other people in this thread have questions which seem reasonable, and it seems there are more than three people in this thread that want to stymie these questions, what is the problem in asking questions? I do not have blind loyalty to any brand or builder. I am neutral person just looking to be informed.

No nonsense here counsellor , just putting the pieces together for you since you were having some doubts.

I agree in part -disagree in part with your conclusions (refer to post 201 and the links for my rationale), but that is why we are all entitled to our opinions. No problem.

My conclusions are based on direct input from those at the scene when it happened.

Case closed. You spoke with both, Mr. Makepeace and Mr. Fiore, and heard their statement(s) as to what happened? I will take your word on it, I have no reason to doubt what you are telling is the truth.

I did not speak with either mike or mr makepeace, there were others on scene at the time.

I then again refer you to the links in post #201. Mr. makepeace's statement is a direct quote, not hearsay, everything you have been told is hearsay. It may be credible, and I believe it very well may accurate, you were not there, you did not speak personally with either occupant of the boat, you are gathering information second and third hand. You are making an assumption, not fact.

I believe the tab was down, operator error happened, as stated intially. As far as the wave, if a man in the boat says a wave caused the accident I would believe that person too. The question remains unanswered, which was the primary cause, the tab or the wave? Or the most likely scenario, which is an assumption on my part, the deployed tab in conjunction with a wave. Does it really matter? It only matters if the problem is fixed in that boat, and future 29'OL boats, I am sure it will be. OL build a nice product, but not everything is accident safe, sh*t happens.

I am now really done with this, it is not that important (to me).

[QUOTE=Smarty;3693775]I then again refer you to the links in post #201. Mr. makepeace's statement is a direct quote, not hearsay, everything you have been told is hearsay. It may be credible, and I believe it very well may accurate, you were not there, you did nopt speak personally with either occupant of the boat. You are making an assumption, not fact.

I believe the tab was down, operator error happened. As far as the wave, if a man in the boat says a wave caused the accident I would believe that person too. The question remains unanswered, which was the primary cause, the tab or the wave? Or the most likely scenario (which is an assumption on my part, the deployeed tab in conjunction with a wave. Does it really matter? Only if the problem is fixed in that boat, and future 29'OL boats, I am sure it will be. OL build a nice product, but not everything is accident safe, sh*t happens.

Someone at the scene, with intimate knowledge of the boat and both parties in the boat is the most credible info I've seen on here so far.
IT WAS A FAULTY TAB INDICATOR!
You asked for clarification , I tried to help you out. Nuff said.

I'm glad to hear that crashing a boat is not considered normal. I've never flipped one in over 20 years of boating. I also find it odd that Mr. Fiore would have to rely on tab indicators over the feel of the boat. If one tab was down too far wouldn't it induce a list? If one tab gets lowered too far is it normal that it cause the boat to flip?? I don't think so. They need to get to the bottom of this because the faulty tab indicator thing doesn't make it OK. Go ahead, bash me now.

[QUOTE=Smarty;3693862]My opinion is based on direct knowledge from someone who was there at the time of the incident, and has intimate knowledge of the situation, not reading some Internet banter, how is this MY BS ? Seems like you have an agenda counsellor .

:party-smiley-004:

:)

[QUOTE=stainless;3693887]Check your PM mailbox:silenced:

Well I'm sorry to argue with you, but you are very, very, very wrong. There are MANY that have run in the boat and been over 100mph with the stock motor. This is a FACT, not fiction.

Now that the boat is out of warranty, I think it will be a good chance to shut some of you doubters and show that it will exceed 112mph with a stage 3 system.

Clearly you did not look at the bottom enough, because its very different then current production boats.

FACT- the boat rolled because of a faulty indicator.

FACT- the boat runs 100+ with 600hp.

I know these are 100% true because I read them on the internet. :party-smiley-004:

Lmao! :ernaehrung004:

[QUOTE=Whipple Charged;3694110]

Now that the boat is out of warranty, I think it will be a good chance to shut some of you doubters and show that it will exceed 112mph with a stage 3 system.



Hahaha, that sounds cool and all, but I think Id like to watch this happen from the dock thank you very much! :lolhit:

:lolhit:

Outerlimits rolling and spinn-out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Y3IBxTKrs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Aa0vlJKL0

http://www.powerboatmag.com/content/view/219/39/

However, while in pursuit of the race leader, the SNAV OSG boat spun out at the end of the opening lap to drop back into third. Also an outerlimits boat

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ed-norway.html

This popped up when I googled, Outerlimits boat rolled or spin out....

These are realy agressive stepped raceboats, wich must be handlaed by care !!!!
By proffesional drivers and amateurs.

Very nice and fast boats, but has the search for speed gone on the behalf of safe handling????

This is not any diss of the brand Outerlimits, only what popped up on the google search :-)

This is quite an unusual event, a twin-stepped boat rolling:lolhit:

I've read about many just doing a quick search. If you look at those boats that start with a C.., you'll find all the drivers that flip those boats are inexperienced and stupid. The boats have never been found to be at fault, ever. At least in the 4-5 I quickly looked up that had rolled and/or flipped over. Others that have flipped began with an F, and other letters as well. Very established boats, same design made for many years.

Just an observation.

There are of course other boat brands that has been rolling and spinning out, if pushed extreme or handled wrong as well

In case you guys have never seen a race I run a single 30' max speed 94MPH with a stock Merc. 525 and weight is 4750 lbs. Our x dem. is 1/2 inch below the bottom and we run WOT for 50 plus miles at a clip. We SPIN OUT ALL THE TIME. We push the boats past there limmits in the turns. No one in there right mind would turn on there pleasure boat like we do. We drag tabs in turns all the time. Sometimes we drag the outside tab only. This same boat is sold to pleasure boaters but normal people dont try and do what we do on the course. My guess is Mike was not out for a joy ride but pushing the boat and testing it. IMO its a good thing it happed to him. It shows that 100 MPH boats need respect. The worst thing that could happen is someone buy's any 100 MPH boat and believes just beacause its $200K and built with the best materials and the manufacture has a reputation for building great boats that they believe the boat is just going to fly and handel anything you throw at it. Now thats how you get killed. I have always said its crazy that anyone with a check book with no knowlage about boating can just buy a 180 MPH machine. Now if it goes that fast you have to show your friends and most boaters I know are also drinkers. Sorry about the rant. Please,please everyone show respect to the water you are boating in. just my 2cents
Randy

Thats my point, you realy need to know what you are doing when you are at the "limit". And even if you know what you are doing, **** happends when you push the limit


Best regards

This boat was new in Miami wasn't it? How is it out of Warranty already? Its only been 3 months of a 12 month warranty that Merc gives on a 600?

Boom Babe!
 

Perfectly said.
Sooooo....., we all want a boat that looks like a race boat, sounds like a race boat, runs like a race boat (often faster), handles like a race butttt...., w/a full factory warranty on everything and a sworn/notarized/documented statement/guarantee that it will never bite us.
That's the crap that ruins it for all of us. Won't be long that no matter what color your money or your experience you won't be able to buy anything that runs over 65.

Here's their number. Give them a call and let us know what they say.

Phone: 401-253-7300

That's why they're running the new Bayliner ads here now.

Millions made, Zero flipped or rolled. Only a Bayliner will do.

Blah.....
 

hah, hah. Now that's funny.

Hey--I almost rolled a Bayliner once. Had a big guy riding in the bow, and when I started to unwind from a turn, the boat didn't follow!