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Sbarberdds 05-23-2012 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3694286)
This boat was new in Miami wasn't it? How is it out of Warranty already? Its only been 3 months of a 12 month warranty that Merc gives on a 600?

Thats my question also. Doesnt the stage 3 option have a warranty?, so if i pay 12k for a stage 3 upgrade and it blows up the next day i would be screwed?. Thats just insane, for only 10 mph.

Sbarberdds 05-23-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 3694331)
Here's their number. Give them a call and let us know what they say.

Phone: 401-253-7300

Ive already contacted them long ago if its any of your business.

quicklt1 05-23-2012 06:25 PM

outerlimits , arent they just old Hustler hulls , that were old signatures
that the kid ruined with steps??

thirdchildhood 05-23-2012 06:52 PM

This is what is scary; Along with the tab indicator excuse:

“We weren’t going very fast,” Mr. Makepeace said, as he was being tended to by medical personnel. “We just kind of caught a wave.”

39 Unlimited 05-23-2012 07:00 PM

When you seek this much hype performance better match the press clippings. :helmet:

scarab63 05-23-2012 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds (Post 3694388)
Thats my question also. Doesnt the stage 3 option have a warranty?, so if i pay 12k for a stage 3 upgrade and it blows up the next day i would be screwed?. Thats just insane, for only 10 mph.

Different tax bracket bro.
The guys paying for these machines can pony up for repairs or popped motors.
10 mph is a lot !!! Id consider it if I had one.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by Monaco20 (Post 3694236)
Outerlimits rolling and spinn-out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Y3IBxTKrs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Aa0vlJKL0

http://www.powerboatmag.com/content/view/219/39/

However, while in pursuit of the race leader, the SNAV OSG boat spun out at the end of the opening lap to drop back into third. Also an outerlimits boat

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ed-norway.html

This popped up when I googled, Outerlimits boat rolled or spin out....

These are realy agressive stepped raceboats, wich must be handlaed by care !!!!
By proffesional drivers and amateurs.

Very nice and fast boats, but has the search for speed gone on the behalf of safe handling????

This is not any diss of the brand Outerlimits, only what popped up on the google search :-)

God you guys, seriously, this has been reviewed time and time again. This was a race boat, driven by our friend Gincarlo which is a very aggressive driver, search him and his Donzi. Or search the Cig race boat and how many times it spun.

This 29 has nothing to do with that, 2 different boats, 2 different hulls.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds (Post 3694388)
Thats my question also. Doesnt the stage 3 option have a warranty?, so if i pay 12k for a stage 3 upgrade and it blows up the next day i would be screwed?. Thats just insane, for only 10 mph.

No, the stage 3 does not have a powertrain warranty. In the boat world, 10mph for the price and reliability it gives is really something that has never been done before and is very popular.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3694415)
This is what is scary; Along with the tab indicator excuse:

“We weren’t going very fast,” Mr. Makepeace said, as he was being tended to by medical personnel. “We just kind of caught a wave.”

Again, you don't have any real facts and you just keep posting the same thing. Mike was driving, Mr. Makepeace was passenger. Mike knows what happen, and I've mentioned, as others have. Its simple, they made a speed run, mike was playing with the tabs because of the side wind pushing the boat. He tabbed up, and according to the indicator, they were all the way up when he slowed down a little and made a left turn. The boat leaned out instead of neutral or in which it always does with tabs up. It then caught an edge before Mike could correct, and it pitched both Mike and John out. It then skipped and rolled 180deg after. While the boat was in the water, floating perfectly flat, you could see the port tab down, starboard tab up. This boat, the test boat and the 2nd production boat have made this turn many times.

This is not an excuse, this is what happen. All future boats, along with this boat will have mechanical indicators if tabs are gonna be put on (optional) as in most cases, tabs are not needed on this boat.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by offshore9 (Post 3690984)
Agreed ...and if you are going for a speed run , why are you using tabs?????

Ever heard of side wind? After all, it is Rhode Island, it is the ocean and they do get an occassional wind gust.

Strip Poker 388 05-23-2012 10:08 PM

Tab is a convienient excuse,Yea it could be? But Im sure they were running the **** out of it,So what shet happens.

Now people that are related or freinds of, make excusses/reasons shows me there idiots,just baiting the people that dont know anything.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by 348SStb (Post 3691389)
I've seen the bottom of the boat. In person at the Miami show. It was the orange boat which is the topic of this thread.

Vee bottom boats today are being greatly improved by the premier boat manufacturers. I appreciate that. But this is not rocket science and there has been no great discovery. The basic physical concepts of drag and bottom configuration (v) remain the same. Those concepts can be tweaked better and better but there is a limit to what can be done with a certain bottom configuration. That's all I'm trying to say. The folks at OL naturally have connections with folks in the supercharging industry and with Mercury to be sure - and they have experience building their own engines as they made some progress for themselves in that field - and until a third party purchases one with said stock power and can verify the top speed number, for now I would say the claims are highly interesting if true *but* they are not yet verified in my opinion. I think others would agree precisely because 600 horsepower could hardly push a 29 foot cat to 103 mph (okay it might push a 29 foot cat to a little more than 103), and a vee bottom is way inferior to a cat in terms of its efficiency.

Not being a hater at all - it just doesn't make sense at 600 horsepower. It was claimed that a 525 29SV hits 90 (which is its own substantial claim), so how is 75 horsepower giving us and additional 13 mph?

You know this boat runs on a pad right? At 100mph, cats have very little lift coming from the pressure so it really comes down to aero and wetted surface. MANY, MANY people have ridden in this boat and can each agree how it runs. Some that doubt are the ones that end up complaining on the race course when one of these blows by them and they must be "cheating". Each post you do states the same thing, it can't be done. But it can and it does.

To also be clear, the SV29 plug, as in the prototype, went 94mph and the weight was not the same as production. The production version will run just slightly faster in good conditions. Multiple speeds were posted because it went through many different changes until Mike was happy with it. In between initial concept to final test was nearly 8mph. I can tell you, as I know many of the boat builders, most do not make a plug and test, change, test, change, test. Hell, most don't even put the X dimension in the same spot on 2 boats. This is a different boat and time will show there really is nothing like it.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds (Post 3693399)
Wish they would just respond to the original reports where the two in the boat said they caught a bad wave and were not going that fast. Then someone said it was a tab down to far and the boat was out for a speed run at over 100mph, which was it? Just tell us all the truth so the rumors are stopped.

There was no comment from Mike so only 1 person said that and he was a passenger and didn't know exactly what happen. Mike stayed with the boat, John went to shore.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 3693534)
Dragon and Statement? :D :drink::drink:

And how many boats have they built combined? C'mon man.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 3694286)
This boat was new in Miami wasn't it? How is it out of Warranty already? Its only been 3 months of a 12 month warranty that Merc gives on a 600?

I don't think Mercury's limited warranty covers underwater. The motor is fine but the last I heard, this was not covered under warranty.

Whipple Charged 05-23-2012 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by 39 Unlimited (Post 3694423)
When you seek this much hype performance better match the press clippings. :helmet:

It does.

Back4More 05-23-2012 11:08 PM

:cool-smiley-011:

Cat & Mice 05-23-2012 11:16 PM

Ya what he said!!!! LOL I guess Dustin cleared things up.

I rode in this boat the weekend of desert storm. I can tell you if it had a design problem we would have crashed that weekend for sure. Mike was driving hard every second we were on the water. Hard turns, crazy fast in wicked waves and the boat never did anything odd. In fact I was shocked how well it handled ever type of water and driving was thrown at it.

Mike pushes his stuff hard, very hard and his products are much better for it.

We ran 97 mph with five guys and a ton of gear with stock 600 on the way to the first card stop. In fact i dont think we ever went under 90 the entire time LOL. I know first hand the motors had stock ecu because I watched the merc guys hand them to Mike and we put them in. The hatch never came up again. Oh and we bought crap gas on the lake so I know it was not running a wild tune.

This boat is the real deal and if you rode in one It would change you views of V bottoms forever as it did mine.

MP

mcprodesign 05-23-2012 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by Monaco20 (Post 3694236)
Outerlimits rolling and spinn-out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Y3IBxTKrs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Aa0vlJKL0

http://www.powerboatmag.com/content/view/219/39/

However, while in pursuit of the race leader, the SNAV OSG boat spun out at the end of the opening lap to drop back into third. Also an outerlimits boat

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ed-norway.html

This popped up when I googled, Outerlimits boat rolled or spin out....

These are realy agressive stepped raceboats, wich must be handlaed by care !!!!
By proffesional drivers and amateurs.

Very nice and fast boats, but has the search for speed gone on the behalf of safe handling????

This is not any diss of the brand Outerlimits, only what popped up on the google search :-)

Looks like the chine is the culprit in these videos. But we don't know for sure if the 29 did this right? However the first 29 built flipping in the first few months ... :helmet: I say wear a helmet. The gunnels are tough on skulls ;D

39 Unlimited 05-24-2012 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3694630)
It does.

Wouldn't consider this 26 page thread good press

pasquesi 05-24-2012 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds (Post 3694388)
Thats my question also. Doesnt the stage 3 option have a warranty?, so if i pay 12k for a stage 3 upgrade and it blows up the next day i would be screwed?. Thats just insane, for only 10 mph.

You are way out of your league here if you think 12K for a 10mph increase is extravagant. There are guys here that would spend 25K for 3mph.

You seem to be very inquisitive about this particular thread as a new member. What kind of high performance boating experience do you have?

thirdchildhood 05-24-2012 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3694617)
You know this boat runs on a pad right? At 100mph, cats have very little lift coming from the pressure so it really comes down to aero and wetted surface. MANY, MANY people have ridden in this boat and can each agree how it runs. Some that doubt are the ones that end up complaining on the race course when one of these blows by them and they must be "cheating". Each post you do states the same thing, it can't be done. But it can and it does.

To also be clear, the SV29 plug, as in the prototype, went 94mph and the weight was not the same as production. The production version will run just slightly faster in good conditions. Multiple speeds were posted because it went through many different changes until Mike was happy with it. In between initial concept to final test was nearly 8mph. I can tell you, as I know many of the boat builders, most do not make a plug and test, change, test, change, test. Hell, most don't even put the X dimension in the same spot on 2 boats. This is a different boat and time will show there really is nothing like it.

WC, do you work for OL?

Indy 05-24-2012 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3694755)
WC, do you work for OL?

Why does somebody who tries to give some good facts here get accused of working for OL? I'm glad some qualified and reputable people have stepped up here and shared some thoughts and facts with us. Sure is refreshing in this swarm of bullsh!t.

BTW...I don't work for OL, I've never been in an OL, I don't know Mike, I'll never own an OL (financially related), never been to the factory. My only experience is seeing a few blow by me like I was going backwards.

Edit: there isn't a sub 30 footer I'd rather own.

ICDEDPPL 05-24-2012 07:36 AM

Wow
 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...dead-horse.gif

thirdchildhood 05-24-2012 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3694768)
Why does somebody who tries to give some good facts here get accused of working for OL? I'm glad some qualified and reputable people have stepped up here and shared some thoughts and facts with us. Sure is refreshing in this swarm of bullsh!t.

BTW...I don't work for OL, I've never been in an OL, I don't know Mike, I'll never own an OL (financially related), never been to the factory. My only experience is seeing a few blow by me like I was going backwards.

Edit: there isn't a sub 30 footer I'd rather own.

I honestly wondered because he is acting as a spokesman for Outerlimits. "Accused" of working for OL? You make that sound like a bad thing!

sutphen 30 05-24-2012 08:13 AM

Like a line from the movie Basic.."All we got to do is tell the story right. "

And a good attorney will tell you to stick to the story.

Indy 05-24-2012 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3694790)
I honestly wondered because he is acting as a spokesman for Outerlimits. "Accused" of working for OL? You make that sound like a bad thing!

I suspect this is as close as we're going to get as far as the incident goes. Most manufacturers won't come on here for good reason so we'll never get the "facts" straight from Mike, although I think Dustin's summary sets it straight. I'm sure Dustin works closely with many manufacturers and related industries considering his product line. Not to work closely would put him out of touch with the market place and compromise his business model.

Working at OL a bad thing? Hmmm...that'd probably be a bit like working at the Playboy mansion with no chance of ever owning a newer "model" although taking one for a ride would sure be an experience :lolhit:

stopdropanroll 05-24-2012 08:28 AM

OL must be doing something right, 27 pages of back and forth BS trying to knock this SV29. IF YOUR NOT GETTING HATED ON YOUR NOT LEADING THE PACK.

Can't wait to ride in one this summer, I will leave my helmet at the dock......

Nice Pair 05-24-2012 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 3694776)

:Score-101010:

PhantomChaos 05-24-2012 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3694810)
...........that'd probably be a bit like working at the Playboy mansion with no chance of ever owning a newer "model" although taking one for a ride would sure be an experience :lolhit:

:drink::drink::drink::drink::drink:

PhantomChaos 05-24-2012 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3694626)
And how many boats have they built combined? C'mon man.

Maybe 10? :D :drink::drink:

thirdchildhood 05-24-2012 11:27 AM

I'm not knocking OL. They have proven themselves to be one of the best.

Whipple Charged 05-24-2012 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by thirdchildhood (Post 3694755)
WC, do you work for OL?

No, I do not.

SS930 05-24-2012 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Sbarberdds
Thats my question also. Doesnt the stage 3 option have a warranty?, so if i pay 12k for a stage 3 upgrade and it blows up the next day i would be screwed?. Thats just insane, for only 10 mph.


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 3694740)
You are way out of your league here if you think 12K for a 10mph increase is extravagant. There are guys here that would spend 25K for 3mph.

You seem to be very inquisitive about this particular thread as a new member. What kind of high performance boating experience do you have?

You don't know about Mr. Darr's legendary offshore boating experience??? :thankyouthankyou: :thankyouthankyou: :thankyouthankyou:

TexomaPowerboater 05-24-2012 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Cat & Mice (Post 3694657)
Ya what he said!!!! LOL I guess Dustin cleared things up.

I rode in this boat the weekend of desert storm. I can tell you if it had a design problem we would have crashed that weekend for sure. Mike was driving hard every second we were on the water. Hard turns, crazy fast in wicked waves and the boat never did anything odd. In fact I was shocked how well it handled ever type of water and driving was thrown at it.

Mike pushes his stuff hard, very hard and his products are much better for it.

We ran 97 mph with five guys and a ton of gear with stock 600 on the way to the first card stop. In fact i dont think we ever went under 90 the entire time LOL. I know first hand the motors had stock ecu because I watched the merc guys hand them to Mike and we put them in. The hatch never came up again. Oh and we bought crap gas on the lake so I know it was not running a wild tune.

This boat is the real deal and if you rode in one It would change you views of V bottoms forever as it did mine.

MP

How was the ride at slower speeds under 50mph? Has anybody had it out it rough 4's or 5ft swells? Just curious as I haven't read about any reviews in those conditions/speeds.

onesickpantera 05-24-2012 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 3694776)

NO CHIT!

Let me summarize:

The boat was pushed, they lost control, it rolled.

Whipple Charged 05-24-2012 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 3695076)
How was the ride at slower speeds under 50mph? Has anybody had it out it rough 4's or 5ft swells? Just curious as I haven't read about any reviews in those conditions/speeds.

Very neutral feel, boat never fly's off waves, does not porpise. Ran at Havasu, 100+ miles, was first v to the card stop, ran 80-100mph the entire time, through some very, very sloppy stuff. Its been run in 4-5 and because the CG is setup perfectly, it fly's very well and lands soft, very predictable.

customryder 05-24-2012 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3695037)
No, I do not.

but I do believe Mike is your brother n law....? Not that, that is a bad thing!

Whipple Charged 05-24-2012 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by customryder (Post 3695254)
but I do believe Mike is your brother n law....? Not that, that is a bad thing!

Yup

thirdchildhood 05-24-2012 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Whipple Charged (Post 3695307)
Yup

OK, thanks. It was never my intent to bash OL.


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