42' vs toyota
03-10-2013 | 05:01 PM
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When I see a Toyota truck that pulls as often as my F250 with 380,000 miles and still be reliable, drive, and look as good as mine we will talk... I just cannot see a 1/2 Toyota doing what my truck does and last that long, the other things in my truck are very beefy parts that last... springs, rear end, tie rods all that kind of stuff... I see MANY Super Duty Fords with 200++ thousand miles all the time.... don;t think I ever saw a Toyota truck with them miles or more..I am sure there may be a few... but I never seen one
). However, they don't have the stresses of a 3/4 ton truck.
03-10-2013 | 05:11 PM
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I think perceived quality of the nearly all the post 08 launch cars is actually very good of anyone that gets in. Interiors from GM have been a huge improvement, and most of the media would acknowledge this. However, perceived reliability is still less positive. The GM of the 90's where crap fails all the time still lingers. In reality all cars these days are good. The worst brand today in 3 year reliability (JD Power), Land Rover, is better than the average was in 2002. The average today is better than the best then. In other words, statistically all cars are basically good enough that reliability will be more than adequate for most. The toyota's of the world keep going on perception alone.
That sounds awesome for your work. Congrats. Working in the industry you love makes work that much better. I'd love to work at any of the high performance boat companies, but doubt many will pay what I'd take to do what I do haha.
That sounds awesome for your work. Congrats. Working in the industry you love makes work that much better. I'd love to work at any of the high performance boat companies, but doubt many will pay what I'd take to do what I do haha.
What sort of PD&E do you do for GM?
03-10-2013 | 05:23 PM
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When I see a Toyota truck that pulls as often as my F250 with 380,000 miles and still be reliable, drive, and look as good as mine we will talk... I just cannot see a 1/2 Toyota doing what my truck does and last that long, the other things in my truck are very beefy parts that last... springs, rear end, tie rods all that kind of stuff... I see MANY Super Duty Fords with 200++ thousand miles all the time.... don;t think I ever saw a Toyota truck with them miles or more..I am sure there may be a few... but I never seen one
Second, the same folks with grenades seem to be lifetime drivers of whatever brand they’re backing. Until you’ve owned a different brand and put it to the test of miles of towing, hurling insults is kind of pointless. And the number of Toyota vehicles out there with well over 100,000 miles on them might surprise you. Just ask the guys from Top Gear (UK) what happened when they tried to kill a high mileage Toyota Hilux (Tacoma here).
03-10-2013 | 06:00 PM
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Trust me, I HATE the serviceability on all new cars. But doesn't Ford make you just take the cab off haha?
I work in product development, but not actually engineering. I curse our engineers every time I have to work on something haha! It's not easy to cram as much stuff in these days.
I work in product development, but not actually engineering. I curse our engineers every time I have to work on something haha! It's not easy to cram as much stuff in these days.
03-10-2013 | 06:02 PM
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A couple of more observations here. First, everybody hurling grenades at the Tundra for being a ½ ton truck seem to be driving ¾ or 1 ton trucks. If memory serves me correctly, Toyota markets the Tundra as a ½ ton pickup and nothing more. So you’re not comparing apples to apples when you say your 1 ton GM, Ford or Dodge will pull more. BTW, I have it on good advice that Toyota will be coming out with something heavier duty soon.
Second, the same folks with grenades seem to be lifetime drivers of whatever brand they’re backing. Until you’ve owned a different brand and put it to the test of miles of towing, hurling insults is kind of pointless. And the number of Toyota vehicles out there with well over 100,000 miles on them might surprise you. Just ask the guys from Top Gear (UK) what happened when they tried to kill a high mileage Toyota Hilux (Tacoma here).
Second, the same folks with grenades seem to be lifetime drivers of whatever brand they’re backing. Until you’ve owned a different brand and put it to the test of miles of towing, hurling insults is kind of pointless. And the number of Toyota vehicles out there with well over 100,000 miles on them might surprise you. Just ask the guys from Top Gear (UK) what happened when they tried to kill a high mileage Toyota Hilux (Tacoma here).
03-10-2013 | 06:03 PM
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A couple of more observations here. First, everybody hurling grenades at the Tundra for being a ½ ton truck seem to be driving ¾ or 1 ton trucks. If memory serves me correctly, Toyota markets the Tundra as a ½ ton pickup and nothing more. So you’re not comparing apples to apples when you say your 1 ton GM, Ford or Dodge will pull more. BTW, I have it on good advice that Toyota will be coming out with something heavier duty soon.
Second, the same folks with grenades seem to be lifetime drivers of whatever brand they’re backing. Until you’ve owned a different brand and put it to the test of miles of towing, hurling insults is kind of pointless. And the number of Toyota vehicles out there with well over 100,000 miles on them might surprise you. Just ask the guys from Top Gear (UK) what happened when they tried to kill a high mileage Toyota Hilux (Tacoma here).
Second, the same folks with grenades seem to be lifetime drivers of whatever brand they’re backing. Until you’ve owned a different brand and put it to the test of miles of towing, hurling insults is kind of pointless. And the number of Toyota vehicles out there with well over 100,000 miles on them might surprise you. Just ask the guys from Top Gear (UK) what happened when they tried to kill a high mileage Toyota Hilux (Tacoma here).
Don't tell me it is marketing, because the big 3 advertise more than anyone. And it's not price, cause Honda, Toyota, and the euros are all more expsensive, he'll even Hyundai is now more expensive. The big three have a higher list to cost ratio, and offer large rebates and still get outsold. The American public has turned to quality and value. If it wasn't for program cars and rentals the big 3 car numbers would be HALF what they are.
Any one that doesn't think a toyo or a Honda wil outlast an American counter part on all fronts simply has never owned one, or talked to people that work on them.
Bottom like, they all last, they prob will all reach 300k miles. But your repair bill on the path to 300 will always be higher higher with the big three, its a fact.
Stop in an autozone and ask them what they sell more parts for out of the top selling 4 cars, Camry, accord, Taurus, impala.
03-10-2013 | 06:08 PM
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Well said! With all these "facts" the biased big three lovers are trying to push, let me ask a question.....why do the big 3 continue to LOSE market share?
Don't tell me it is marketing, because the big 3 advertise more than anyone. And it's not price, cause Honda, Toyota, and the euros are all more expsensive, he'll even Hyundai is now more expensive. The big three have a higher list to cost ratio, and offer large rebates and still get outsold. The American public has turned to quality and value. If it wasn't for program cars and rentals the big 3 car numbers would be HALF what they are.
Any one that doesn't think a toyo or a Honda wil outlast an American counter part on all fronts simply has never owned one, or talked to people that work on them.
Bottom like, they all last, they prob will all reach 300k miles. But your repair bill on the path to 300 will always be higher higher with the big three, its a fact.
Stop in an autozone and ask them what they sell more parts for out of the top selling 4 cars, Camry, accord, Taurus, impala.
Don't tell me it is marketing, because the big 3 advertise more than anyone. And it's not price, cause Honda, Toyota, and the euros are all more expsensive, he'll even Hyundai is now more expensive. The big three have a higher list to cost ratio, and offer large rebates and still get outsold. The American public has turned to quality and value. If it wasn't for program cars and rentals the big 3 car numbers would be HALF what they are.
Any one that doesn't think a toyo or a Honda wil outlast an American counter part on all fronts simply has never owned one, or talked to people that work on them.
Bottom like, they all last, they prob will all reach 300k miles. But your repair bill on the path to 300 will always be higher higher with the big three, its a fact.
Stop in an autozone and ask them what they sell more parts for out of the top selling 4 cars, Camry, accord, Taurus, impala.
03-10-2013 | 06:09 PM
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03-10-2013 | 06:09 PM
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Well said! With all these "facts" the biased big three lovers are trying to push, let me ask a question.....why do the big 3 continue to LOSE market share?
Don't tell me it is marketing, because the big 3 advertise more than anyone. And it's not price, cause Honda, Toyota, and the euros are all more expsensive, he'll even Hyundai is now more expensive. The big three have a higher list to cost ratio, and offer large rebates and still get outsold. The American public has turned to quality and value. If it wasn't for program cars and rentals the big 3 car numbers would be HALF what they are.
Any one that doesn't think a toyo or a Honda wil outlast an American counter part on all fronts simply has never owned one, or talked to people that work on them.
Bottom like, they all last, they prob will all reach 300k miles. But your repair bill on the path to 300 will always be higher higher with the big three, its a fact.
Stop in an autozone and ask them what they sell more parts for out of the top selling 4 cars, Camry, accord, Taurus, impala.
Don't tell me it is marketing, because the big 3 advertise more than anyone. And it's not price, cause Honda, Toyota, and the euros are all more expsensive, he'll even Hyundai is now more expensive. The big three have a higher list to cost ratio, and offer large rebates and still get outsold. The American public has turned to quality and value. If it wasn't for program cars and rentals the big 3 car numbers would be HALF what they are.
Any one that doesn't think a toyo or a Honda wil outlast an American counter part on all fronts simply has never owned one, or talked to people that work on them.
Bottom like, they all last, they prob will all reach 300k miles. But your repair bill on the path to 300 will always be higher higher with the big three, its a fact.
Stop in an autozone and ask them what they sell more parts for out of the top selling 4 cars, Camry, accord, Taurus, impala.
But I guess we can all quickly eliminate the advice of someone advocating pulling way over their trucks legal limit because it has "big brakes".
The 45% of the market buying just 3 brands are all dumbasses, you are so smart.
