42' vs toyota
03-12-2013 | 10:01 AM
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Calling my engine anything that resembles today's production GM is a joke, my boat was built in NC by Mexicans
03-12-2013 | 12:30 PM
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Check goes to Japan, or goes to pay the American workforces and to build more factories HERE! Do you guy have any idea how a corporation works? Jesus, so sick of having to explain basic economics, you act like there is one may named Mr Toyota in Japan that is brainwashing us into buying superior cars so he can build an army to come over and bomb us....Wake up dude, WW2 is over.
And I didn't get my weekly profit sharing check from th big three, this year....did you?
And I didn't get my weekly profit sharing check from th big three, this year....did you?
03-12-2013 | 12:47 PM
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I know there a lot of empty buildings in Detroit!I still by American!New generation will forget Japan and the past thats the problem!!How many Americans do they really Employ??Jap cars with clutches is all I hear from the new generation??Your sick of having to explain why we should not buy American products??
03-12-2013 | 12:49 PM
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What a crock of crap. The Japanese gov't has for years supported their OEM's, ours has **** on us until the bailout.
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
03-12-2013 | 01:02 PM
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I know there a lot of empty buildings in Detroit!I still by American!New generation will forget Japan and the past thats the problem!!How many Americans do they really Employ??Jap cars with clutches is all I hear from the new generation??Your sick of having to explain why we should not buy American products??
This argument always starts the same way. Someone calls the best truck I have ever owned jap scrap, even though they never have owned one, and they refuse to admit that American car engineering got cheap the last 3 decades while everyone improved.
1. I got burned on many big 3 cars and trucks
2. I see a difference in quality on everything outside of the big 3, just by opening and closing the door
3. I don't car what you drive, however a few uninformed seem to attack what I drive, which in turn makes me attack back (it's so easy)
4. It's my money, I am going to use it for beat value
5. My truck is the most American truck you can buy, tied with Ford. I don't care how many jobs Toyota created in the USA, I just know my vehicle was built by American wokers in Texas and Tennessee.
We used to be the best at making everything. We didn't care about "being fair" we didn't whine over competition, we just kicked azz. I am so sick of hearing about it, if they can do it we should be able to do it better. And only recently have we seem improvement in areas of quality from the big 3, because they have lost so much market share by selling an inferior product based on a name that was built building years of quality product, that is quite the okie doke!
03-12-2013 | 01:16 PM
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Those buildings are empty because of corporate greed. The big three starting cutting quality for bigger profits, the UAW asked for a bigger portion of those profits (as they should have) suddenly they couldn't afford the overhead they created and starting selling us JUNK!
This argument always starts the same way. Someone calls the best truck I have ever owned jap scrap, even though they never have owned one, and they refuse to admit that American car engineering got cheap the last 3 decades while everyone improved.
1. I got burned on many big 3 cars and trucks
2. I see a difference in quality on everything outside of the big 3, just by opening and closing the door
3. I don't car what you drive, however a few uninformed seem to attack what I drive, which in turn makes me attack back (it's so easy)
4. It's my money, I am going to use it for beat value
5. My truck is the most American truck you can buy, tied with Ford. I don't care how many jobs Toyota created in the USA, I just know my vehicle was built by American wokers in Texas and Tennessee.
We used to be the best at making everything. We didn't care about "being fair" we didn't whine over competition, we just kicked azz. I am so sick of hearing about it, if they can do it we should be able to do it better. And only recently have we seem improvement in areas of quality from the big 3, because they have lost so much market share by selling an inferior product based on a name that was built building years of quality product, that is quite the okie doke!
This argument always starts the same way. Someone calls the best truck I have ever owned jap scrap, even though they never have owned one, and they refuse to admit that American car engineering got cheap the last 3 decades while everyone improved.
1. I got burned on many big 3 cars and trucks
2. I see a difference in quality on everything outside of the big 3, just by opening and closing the door
3. I don't car what you drive, however a few uninformed seem to attack what I drive, which in turn makes me attack back (it's so easy)
4. It's my money, I am going to use it for beat value
5. My truck is the most American truck you can buy, tied with Ford. I don't care how many jobs Toyota created in the USA, I just know my vehicle was built by American wokers in Texas and Tennessee.
We used to be the best at making everything. We didn't care about "being fair" we didn't whine over competition, we just kicked azz. I am so sick of hearing about it, if they can do it we should be able to do it better. And only recently have we seem improvement in areas of quality from the big 3, because they have lost so much market share by selling an inferior product based on a name that was built building years of quality product, that is quite the okie doke!
And as for quality, the $16,000 2006 Toyota (Scion) parked in my driveway absolutely blows away the quality of my $34,000 2010 Ford F-150. (And don't even ask how it compares to my former POS 2005 F-150 that almost drove me into a Toyota Tacoma.) Oh, and did I mention that the Scion has 112,000 miles on it and the Ford has only 42,000 miles on it? Yes, my 2010 Ford is far better than my 2005, but there was no place to go but up from that truck.
03-12-2013 | 01:24 PM
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watch this video,,i like the Toyota but just not for hauling anything heavy..pay close attention to the bed movement..kinda scary eh! all that weight your towing i would think again..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4
03-12-2013 | 01:37 PM
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I've always felt we as a nation held greater dislike for Japan then Germany after W.W. 2 and that dislike continues generations later and is applied via a general dislike of their consumer products.
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03-12-2013 | 01:40 PM
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The last decade my Dad worked at Cat was outside the UAW. He crossed in '92. After we as a family endured crippling strikes in the 70's and early 80's he said no more. My point had nothing to do with the UAW or unions in general. My point has to do with assertion that someone with a college education working in the office should always make more than the laborer out on the floor. If you look at some of the trades on the floor and consider the continuing education, intelligence, mechanical aptitude, and physical abilities they require one can make the case they should command as much if not more than certain 4 year degree + office jobs. Not to mention the fact that many of the floor jobs carry the risk of injury or death on daily basis. Something the average white collar worker isn't subjected to.
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03-12-2013 | 01:45 PM
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Every single manufacturer has video(s) like that one that purport to show their vehicle to be the best. Oddly enough, they don't show you the tests that their vehicle failed to do better than the other brands.
A friend of a friend stopped by one day with a brand new Chevy with dealer plates on it. (He owned a Ford.) He then proceeded to tell me how the Chevy salesman had showed him a video that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Ford was junk and the Chevy was the best. I called a friend of mine who owns a Ford dealer and asked him to cue up the Ford video since I was sending this guy right over. Man, did that lead to some head scratching. And you wouldn't believe how many folks fall for them.
What you might want to do it stop at a GM, then Ford, Then Dodge, the Toyota dealer and ask to see their videos. What you'll find is that no vehicle is perfect. They all have their individual strong and weak points. And after all, if one was perfect, would anybody buy anything else?
A friend of a friend stopped by one day with a brand new Chevy with dealer plates on it. (He owned a Ford.) He then proceeded to tell me how the Chevy salesman had showed him a video that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Ford was junk and the Chevy was the best. I called a friend of mine who owns a Ford dealer and asked him to cue up the Ford video since I was sending this guy right over. Man, did that lead to some head scratching. And you wouldn't believe how many folks fall for them.
What you might want to do it stop at a GM, then Ford, Then Dodge, the Toyota dealer and ask to see their videos. What you'll find is that no vehicle is perfect. They all have their individual strong and weak points. And after all, if one was perfect, would anybody buy anything else?
