42' vs toyota
#261
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Ever heard of the former GM / Toyota joint venture in California called NUMMI? You might want to talk to the GM (union) employees who went to Japan to learn Toyota production techniques. They went in every bit as hard a--ed as you. They came back with nothing but admiration for the Japanese. GM learned a ton from Toyota in the venture and uses Toyota production methods in every single one of their factories - as does Ford and Chrysler. When GM went bankrupt, the joint venture was dissolved.
And BTW, building 95% of the volume with less people is called a "productivity advantage" in business terms. Taking more people to build the same number of vehicles is not something any businessman would be proud of.
And BTW, building 95% of the volume with less people is called a "productivity advantage" in business terms. Taking more people to build the same number of vehicles is not something any businessman would be proud of.
#264
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What a crock of crap. The Japanese gov't has for years supported their OEM's, ours has **** on us until the bailout.
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
One of many interesting quotes from your article above
"We really do welcome foreign competition," he says. "We certainly welcome foreign direct investment, and when Americans get a job working for a foreign automaker, that’s great for the community."
You only see one side of the article. Sure GM employs more US than anyone, but that doesn't change the fact that buying a Toyota Tundra made in TX does more for American WORKERS than buying an Equinox, Impala, or Camaro made in Canada. You logic insists that when I buy one GM car I am buying all the cars made by all the people. I have not purchased a Toyota that was not on the US made list, I purchased one made in TX by John Williams.
http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/cont...db-autos.shtml
Try to look passed your own ignorance and bias and see the big picture. The world has changed, quit acting like a baby! As a consultant helping my customers I always see two types of workers. One will be willing to do and try anything to make more money, the other makes excuses and cries "no fair" and spends his day being negative and unproductive, and they cant be helped, just fired. You definitely remind me of the latter.
#265
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Just out of curiosity, how on earth does someone that can read and write (I assume you can, given you wrote this) get that idea from me saying "I THINK THEY ARE OVERPAID?"
If it matters, I'm a "degreed" engineer, with an MBA, working at GM. I'm sure a few UAW guys w/ overtime match my salary, which is crap. However, that money gets back into the US economy. The auto industry is a passion of mine, and my job. Therefore when you peel back the onion more like I have, you find a lot of the history of what has happened. Gets under your skin to see people with no clue go off like experts all the time.

If it matters, I'm a "degreed" engineer, with an MBA, working at GM. I'm sure a few UAW guys w/ overtime match my salary, which is crap. However, that money gets back into the US economy. The auto industry is a passion of mine, and my job. Therefore when you peel back the onion more like I have, you find a lot of the history of what has happened. Gets under your skin to see people with no clue go off like experts all the time.
You probably noticed on my list of purchased vehicles most of my cars were GM, and maybe you noticed the compliments I gave to GM for looks, and interior? Still my favorite looking truck....did you miss that too?
So I see now that YOU ARE THE EXPERT because you work for GM.
Its time for the wife to have a new car, what should I buy that supports YOU and YOUR co-workers only, I want to do the right thing
#266
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Again, you can not read. I am far from UAW, which should be evident by everything I have presented. You are attempting a straw man, and poorly doing it. I don't care about union, I care about helping the US.
So because you buy a car you are an expert, but because I buy a plane ticket I'm not an expert on flight? Gee, right, you should be CEO of Toyota you know so much.
You have yet to read anything I've posted, or links I've provided and give a single comment in rebutal. You just go back to implying I'm some UAW guy, because in itself that's so degrading huh? Right, my writing and points definitely indicate I am a blue-collar guy with no education and pro union.
It's hilarious you say propaganda when I have provided employment data and other facts, and you've provided anecdotal evidence of how superior something is because your 1990 something had a problem. You've then wrapped a foreign product in the American flag with no basis and accuse us of "UAW propaganda" despite clear posts stating they are overpaid in most cases? Try reading, then posting a coherent reply to the facts posted, not just calling everyone a UAW guy who actually knows what they are talking about.
So because you buy a car you are an expert, but because I buy a plane ticket I'm not an expert on flight? Gee, right, you should be CEO of Toyota you know so much.
You have yet to read anything I've posted, or links I've provided and give a single comment in rebutal. You just go back to implying I'm some UAW guy, because in itself that's so degrading huh? Right, my writing and points definitely indicate I am a blue-collar guy with no education and pro union.
It's hilarious you say propaganda when I have provided employment data and other facts, and you've provided anecdotal evidence of how superior something is because your 1990 something had a problem. You've then wrapped a foreign product in the American flag with no basis and accuse us of "UAW propaganda" despite clear posts stating they are overpaid in most cases? Try reading, then posting a coherent reply to the facts posted, not just calling everyone a UAW guy who actually knows what they are talking about.
First off, you keep talking down at everyone including me that has an opinion that differs from yours. Calling us "experts, Einsteins" implies that you are in fact the expert because you have a precious MBA and happen to WORK for one of the companies that sell cars....but you're not biased, you just happen to be smarter than all of us "ticket buyers" as you so kindly put it.
Looks to me that all your MBA gave you was an extended vocabulary to stroke your own narcissistic ego, it didn't make you any smarter. It did however make you a great internet voice to defend the greedy blue collar co-workers that your company employs, seeing that most of them can barely read or write.
Not many people that I can say have generated hate from me on the internet. But the insults from you and Mr IROC (cracks me up, iroc LOL) have indeed got to me. Showing that you can't get your point across without name calling, or using inaccurate unwarranted insults just defines your both as childish BIGOTS.
What a great world you live in, when you can finger point your companies failures at people that won't buy your product. Talk down at them and call them names, because they don't buy from you?? Can you imagine if the rest of the world was like that? Hell Fountain would still be in business but it is our fault for not buying everything they made right? Had nothing to do with checks and balances, Sounds more like dictatorship there, Hitler. I'm sure you guys all sat around your engineering offices blaming the bankruptcy on people not "buying American" it is their fault, not yours right? And now finally, after decades of pushing out substandard products, based on a name built from building superior products, you are now adjusting and bring quality up. Excuse me that I am not in line to congratulate you with a purchase of the vehicle that I don't have a lot of confidence in.
Better get back to looking at yourself in the mirror, or maybe take your *north American Gm for a ride down to the store, stand on a soap box, hold old your MBA and yell at every so called "jap scrap" that drive by. Surely that will increase sales for a company that was forced to bankruptcy by greed, poor management, and bigotry.
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Still kills me that most of the UAW and GM corp employees claim to be Republicans, yet socialism saved your company from bankruptcy. disgusting
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Still kills me that most of the UAW and GM corp employees claim to be Republicans, yet socialism saved your company from bankruptcy. disgusting
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