42' vs toyota
03-09-2013 | 08:20 AM
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Not at the expense of perpetuating mediocrity. The American public put up with Big 3 Garbage for a long time until Toyota gave them a well needed kick in the a$$. It was appalling the quality of vehicles Detroit was producing, they deserved to go out of business IMO. At least we now have choices.
That being said I've had trucks from all 4 manufacturers every year since '84. I've stuck with Ford for the past decade because I really like their product. I just wonder why they can't make brakes that go past 30,000 miles...WTF?
American trucks for me, foreign cars however. The last American car I owned was a Corvette C5, GMs flagship...what a pile of garbage...never again.
Agree!Buy here!That being said I've had trucks from all 4 manufacturers every year since '84. I've stuck with Ford for the past decade because I really like their product. I just wonder why they can't make brakes that go past 30,000 miles...WTF?
American trucks for me, foreign cars however. The last American car I owned was a Corvette C5, GMs flagship...what a pile of garbage...never again.
03-09-2013 | 08:29 AM
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Buy Kwik fill. Its cheaper and American oil.
4bus and I have already had our debate, and I am not here to argue but will throw in my 2 cents. In the 70's imports were better running cars because they didn't have to meet emissions until 2 years after the big 3, at which point they only needed to copy the fixes. Duramax injector issues, yup, I'm not a fan of the motor, its isuzu junk. Tundra brakes are larger, because the truck is heavy, its needed. I am not sure where the weight is because the frame is no where as rigid as GM's. The truck loads of frames I see coming into Romano every week speaks volumes for quality. They have 2 techs that do nothing but replace truck frames. In the early-mid 2000's gm had junk window regulators, I would rather have a window that doesn't move than a frame break. I just put a computer in a toyota, and used toyotas need all the same work as used gm's. Most GM trucks get 100k out of a set of pads, unless your not smart enough to wash the salt off during the winter. Every year some guy with a plow truck will ***** he needs brakes after letting the truck sit all summer with salt on it. Even stainless rusts in salt water. Toyota motors in ski boats-epic fail. The three blown engines in the 500 was pretty interesting too.
4bus and I have already had our debate, and I am not here to argue but will throw in my 2 cents. In the 70's imports were better running cars because they didn't have to meet emissions until 2 years after the big 3, at which point they only needed to copy the fixes. Duramax injector issues, yup, I'm not a fan of the motor, its isuzu junk. Tundra brakes are larger, because the truck is heavy, its needed. I am not sure where the weight is because the frame is no where as rigid as GM's. The truck loads of frames I see coming into Romano every week speaks volumes for quality. They have 2 techs that do nothing but replace truck frames. In the early-mid 2000's gm had junk window regulators, I would rather have a window that doesn't move than a frame break. I just put a computer in a toyota, and used toyotas need all the same work as used gm's. Most GM trucks get 100k out of a set of pads, unless your not smart enough to wash the salt off during the winter. Every year some guy with a plow truck will ***** he needs brakes after letting the truck sit all summer with salt on it. Even stainless rusts in salt water. Toyota motors in ski boats-epic fail. The three blown engines in the 500 was pretty interesting too.
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03-09-2013 | 08:32 AM
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And Ron, if GM's leather is best, we are all getting ripped off! Costs as much as a Natuzzi couch, and feels like vinyl! I would like a high quality synthetic as an option.
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03-09-2013 | 08:32 AM
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C'mon man. I know I am in the heart of the big three. But it is also the capitol of laziness and corruption. Why would I want to overspend on a vehicle because some dumb **** either slept or worked his shift hammered just to retire and sleep and get hammered and still get paid? What about the ones that get caught stealing engines or whole cars yet get put back on the line? It's ****ing bull**** and most people only hear about a small percentage of what really goes on. Get rid of the UAW and the lazy, no skill, drunk fuktards that leech off the system and I will tip my hat to the big three and buy and support them.
03-09-2013 | 08:46 AM
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I am talking my 2002 duramx and 2007 denali, I hear it is now not so good. My toyo leather is plastic I swear. My gms would sit in the sun all day and when I opened the door it smelled like a leather store...miss that
03-09-2013 | 08:47 AM
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Buy Kwik fill. Its cheaper and American oil.
4bus and I have already had our debate, and I am not here to argue but will throw in my 2 cents. In the 70's imports were better running cars because they didn't have to meet emissions until 2 years after the big 3, at which point they only needed to copy the fixes. Duramax injector issues, yup, I'm not a fan of the motor, its isuzu junk. Tundra brakes are larger, because the truck is heavy, its needed. I am not sure where the weight is because the frame is no where as rigid as GM's. The truck loads of frames I see coming into Romano every week speaks volumes for quality. They have 2 techs that do nothing but replace truck frames. In the early-mid 2000's gm had junk window regulators, I would rather have a window that doesn't move than a frame break. I just put a computer in a toyota, and used toyotas need all the same work as used gm's. Most GM trucks get 100k out of a set of pads, unless your not smart enough to wash the salt off during the winter. Every year some guy with a plow truck will ***** he needs brakes after letting the truck sit all summer with salt on it. Even stainless rusts in salt water. Toyota motors in ski boats-epic fail. The three blown engines in the 500 was pretty interesting too.
4bus and I have already had our debate, and I am not here to argue but will throw in my 2 cents. In the 70's imports were better running cars because they didn't have to meet emissions until 2 years after the big 3, at which point they only needed to copy the fixes. Duramax injector issues, yup, I'm not a fan of the motor, its isuzu junk. Tundra brakes are larger, because the truck is heavy, its needed. I am not sure where the weight is because the frame is no where as rigid as GM's. The truck loads of frames I see coming into Romano every week speaks volumes for quality. They have 2 techs that do nothing but replace truck frames. In the early-mid 2000's gm had junk window regulators, I would rather have a window that doesn't move than a frame break. I just put a computer in a toyota, and used toyotas need all the same work as used gm's. Most GM trucks get 100k out of a set of pads, unless your not smart enough to wash the salt off during the winter. Every year some guy with a plow truck will ***** he needs brakes after letting the truck sit all summer with salt on it. Even stainless rusts in salt water. Toyota motors in ski boats-epic fail. The three blown engines in the 500 was pretty interesting too.
Doesn't count, move along. And if you are getting 100k miles off gm brakes you are driving like a grandpa, I call b/s
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03-09-2013 | 09:01 AM
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my apologies, sorry that was a little harsh. but the video shows a 42 baja cruiser and there not the most efficient boats, anyway........
on the common sense side of reality, i'm just looking at the truck in the video, or even the pic of the Ford excursion with the fountain, atleast that truck is sitting level compared to the toyota not sure how yours sits with but it looks like in the video that theier way past the "recommended tongue weight". i've towed a fair a mount of equipment and boats and had my share of issues. that being said i personally wouldn't do that, especially having a CDL.
the other big factor here is STOPPING or having to perform some kind of high speed maneuvering, while likely being at the MAX or over the rated towing capacity you'll end up in the ditch. to many people think that if they can get it rolling behind their truck that alls good.
see it all the time down here in FL, some yoyo towing a loader or dozer with a 5th wheel and a daully. i wouldn't want to have somebody like that behind me and my family on I-75.
on the common sense side of reality, i'm just looking at the truck in the video, or even the pic of the Ford excursion with the fountain, atleast that truck is sitting level compared to the toyota not sure how yours sits with but it looks like in the video that theier way past the "recommended tongue weight". i've towed a fair a mount of equipment and boats and had my share of issues. that being said i personally wouldn't do that, especially having a CDL.
the other big factor here is STOPPING or having to perform some kind of high speed maneuvering, while likely being at the MAX or over the rated towing capacity you'll end up in the ditch. to many people think that if they can get it rolling behind their truck that alls good.
see it all the time down here in FL, some yoyo towing a loader or dozer with a 5th wheel and a daully. i wouldn't want to have somebody like that behind me and my family on I-75.
Honestly, I don't feel unsafe in any way towing the fountain on the myco, if I did I wouldn't tow it, I would buy an old dually and do it.
I am not one for white kuckle rides. I run mine at 75 mph on the highway changing lanes like it is not there. No sway, no rocking, no sagging...nothing. Boat is set up right on trailer which helps.
Speaking of pigs, I used to tow my 36 Baja with my f350 srw 6.0l diesel....would you believe me if I said the Toyota feels better towing the fountain? It does, and it stops shorter.
The road to my road is 55 mph, last year I came to a complete stop with my trailer brake lockout on from 60 mph in the same distance I would normally, not even an issue.
I wouldn't even think twice about using my Toyo, the ford Eco boost, or the chevy 6.2 to tow a 38 fountain on a myco, Things have changed, not a big deal. Boats are lighter, trucks are heavier duty.
I know, not a good color match
somday my boats will match my trucks level here
sagging here, boat is down hill
03-09-2013 | 10:53 AM
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What a crock of crap. The Japanese gov't has for years supported their OEM's, ours has **** on us until the bailout.
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
You are posting utter lies to justify your foreign purchase. Why don't you look up GM, Ford and Chrysler employment. First of all I believe you've overstated toyota by 10k ish, but either way GM employs 90k Americans to sell a similar number of cars. Ford over 60k to sell less. Before anyone gets cute and blames this on efficiency, Toyota claims to employ over 300k global people vs GM's 250k or so. Foreign companies per car sold employ less than 50% of the people, which is then multiplied by the supplier effect, etc.
Keep justifying buying foreign crap because they sell you a load of crap while wrapping themselves in the American flag. Americans are fools and they know it and exploit it.
Please feel free to post how the Big 3 have moved production while others build here, the reality is laughably the opposite. The VAST majority of domestics are built in the US, a much smaller bit of transplants. All they have to do is put "made in USA" on the one or two models in a commercial and this is the crap "Americans" spew to justify their purchase.
The tundra is junk. A country that can't buy enough bland Camry's still buy 1/6th the tundra's they do F150's or GM's each.
Edit: adding a link, aka a clue http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...s-workers.html
The reason they are building vehicles here is the cheaper labor. Labor is actually cheaper here than Japan when you add in all the costs is Japan. Plus after US workers retire they let the US pay them (social security). They have also kept us out of the Japanese market by import taxes on our vehicles.
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