42' vs toyota
03-09-2013 | 06:41 PM
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rlj676, nice work.
I have been on so many automitive forums over the last 16 years and have never had success articulating what you posted earlier. But it is also hind sight. I could see what was happening plain as day in the late 90's yet no one wanted to open their eyes and see the obvious. Our market isnt an open market, atleast not for US manfuctured products. If any one gives a ****, they would do a little more research to understand why things are as they are.
Biggest factor I see is that consumers dont give a crap, cheapest product is the best product then they claim " FREE MARKET!!" is whats best for the US. BS.
We are quickly becoming ( as many people promoted in the late 80's / early 90's) a servise nation. I heard this when I was in highschool. This was the intended direction for the US. Pure BS, only the wealthy profit with this type of economy. Our country was built on manufacturing and being self substainable. Enter the EPA, labor laws, " BS Free Trade" = NAFTA, CAFTA etc. All punished the US manufacturing base and the IGNORENT US consumer still spouts " free trade". I guess they will understand this when their jobs are outsourced and we get inferior products.. kinda like we are now from Japan.
I have been on so many automitive forums over the last 16 years and have never had success articulating what you posted earlier. But it is also hind sight. I could see what was happening plain as day in the late 90's yet no one wanted to open their eyes and see the obvious. Our market isnt an open market, atleast not for US manfuctured products. If any one gives a ****, they would do a little more research to understand why things are as they are.
Biggest factor I see is that consumers dont give a crap, cheapest product is the best product then they claim " FREE MARKET!!" is whats best for the US. BS.
We are quickly becoming ( as many people promoted in the late 80's / early 90's) a servise nation. I heard this when I was in highschool. This was the intended direction for the US. Pure BS, only the wealthy profit with this type of economy. Our country was built on manufacturing and being self substainable. Enter the EPA, labor laws, " BS Free Trade" = NAFTA, CAFTA etc. All punished the US manufacturing base and the IGNORENT US consumer still spouts " free trade". I guess they will understand this when their jobs are outsourced and we get inferior products.. kinda like we are now from Japan.
03-09-2013 | 07:00 PM
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This country, our country needs to get back to manufacturing. The ignorent still believe we are not capable of world class engineered and manufactured products. I work in the commercial construction industry, my wife works in the health care industry and my family members and neighbors work in the aerospace industry. The US still produces the best products in several areas and the rest of the world knows it, just not a large segment of ignorent Americans.
Beoing is struggling right now becuase they had a CEO who was the smartest guy in the room. The company needed a game changer to keep up with the EU government financed attack from Airbus. Side note, why the **** should our airforce have to buy EU tankers??
The 787 program began. The smartest guy in the room decided lets shed risk and outsource most of the work to Italy, France, Germany and Japan. Want to know why this plane riddled with problems? Becuase NONE of the forigne companies could match the manufacturing requirements that Boeing spec'd. If Boeing kept the ENGINEERING and MANUFACTURING in house they would not have the issues they are having right now. Not to mention the hand off of 80 years of manufacturing advancements they gave away to forighn companies to get the program back on track.
BTW, the CEO of Ford is the same guy Boeing ran out of town and is the person responsible for the outsourcing.
Our politicians and CEO's / stock holders make up a large portion of IGNORENT Americans that have put us in the hole we are in.
Beoing is struggling right now becuase they had a CEO who was the smartest guy in the room. The company needed a game changer to keep up with the EU government financed attack from Airbus. Side note, why the **** should our airforce have to buy EU tankers??
The 787 program began. The smartest guy in the room decided lets shed risk and outsource most of the work to Italy, France, Germany and Japan. Want to know why this plane riddled with problems? Becuase NONE of the forigne companies could match the manufacturing requirements that Boeing spec'd. If Boeing kept the ENGINEERING and MANUFACTURING in house they would not have the issues they are having right now. Not to mention the hand off of 80 years of manufacturing advancements they gave away to forighn companies to get the program back on track.
BTW, the CEO of Ford is the same guy Boeing ran out of town and is the person responsible for the outsourcing.
Our politicians and CEO's / stock holders make up a large portion of IGNORENT Americans that have put us in the hole we are in.
03-09-2013 | 07:08 PM
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This country, our country needs to get back to manufacturing. The ignorent still believe we are not capable of world class engineered and manufactured products. I work in the commercial construction industry, my wife works in the health care industry and my family members and neighbors work in the aerospace industry. The US still produces the best products in several areas and the rest of the world knows it, just not a large segment of ignorent Americans.
Beoing is struggling right now becuase they had a CEO who was the smartest guy in the room. The company needed a game changer to keep up with the EU government financed attack from Airbus. Side note, why the **** should our airforce have to buy EU tankers??
The 787 program began. The smartest guy in the room decided lets shed risk and outsource most of the work to Italy, France, Germany and Japan. Want to know why this plane riddled with problems? Becuase NONE of the forigne companies could match the manufacturing requirements that Boeing spec'd. If Boeing kept the ENGINEERING and MANUFACTURING in house they would not have the issues they are having right now. Not to mention the hand off of 80 years of manufacturing advancements they gave away to forighn companies to get the program back on track.
BTW, the CEO of Ford is the same guy Boeing ran out of town and is the person responsible for the outsourcing.
Our politicians and CEO's / stock holders make up a large portion of IGNORENT Americans that have put us in the hole we are in.
Beoing is struggling right now becuase they had a CEO who was the smartest guy in the room. The company needed a game changer to keep up with the EU government financed attack from Airbus. Side note, why the **** should our airforce have to buy EU tankers??
The 787 program began. The smartest guy in the room decided lets shed risk and outsource most of the work to Italy, France, Germany and Japan. Want to know why this plane riddled with problems? Becuase NONE of the forigne companies could match the manufacturing requirements that Boeing spec'd. If Boeing kept the ENGINEERING and MANUFACTURING in house they would not have the issues they are having right now. Not to mention the hand off of 80 years of manufacturing advancements they gave away to forighn companies to get the program back on track.
BTW, the CEO of Ford is the same guy Boeing ran out of town and is the person responsible for the outsourcing.
Our politicians and CEO's / stock holders make up a large portion of IGNORENT Americans that have put us in the hole we are in.
03-09-2013 | 07:15 PM
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03-09-2013 | 07:43 PM
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watch this video,,i like the toyota but just not for hauling anything heavy..pay close attension to the bed movement..kinda scary eh! all that weight your towing i woulf think again..[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4[/YOUTUBE]
03-09-2013 | 08:31 PM
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mrfixxall, I was wondering when that was going to show up!!! 
I really hope you will reconsider that. If I have a boat that is under 20 feet that has a rated hp, and say it is rated at 195 hp and I have a 200 or larger engine, you don't think that in the insurance papers you sign that won't give them an out somewhere in the small print, you are a fool! Not being offensive, just logical. They are insurance companies. That is what they do.
My insurance would not deny a claim, that is hear say as far as I am concerned, we have never seen proof of this.
Plus with my tow max package, and 4.30 gears I am rated for 11,700... I'm ok.
On another note me and the locals are looking to make a trip to west Erie this summer. Do a little Cedar, Put in bay and the casino. We are thinking July are August, any big parties those months?
Plus with my tow max package, and 4.30 gears I am rated for 11,700... I'm ok.
On another note me and the locals are looking to make a trip to west Erie this summer. Do a little Cedar, Put in bay and the casino. We are thinking July are August, any big parties those months?
03-09-2013 | 08:32 PM
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I'm sure he's way over the limit, either way. There's no half ton on the market that I know of that's legal to tow as much as he's towing. But like I said, hope nothing ever happens, good luck to him.
03-09-2013 | 08:44 PM
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As far as Toyotas go, I bought my first and only new car in the late 80s. A Toyota. That was the biggest POS I have ever owned in my life. It stayed in the shop more than on the road, literally. Finally a problem with a fastener, a screw fell out of one of the throttle blades and the blade was digested by the engine, they would not cover it under the extended warranty. Not a lubricated part. It had about 65K on it. I patched it back together myself, sold it, and bought a Dodge 2500 with the Cummins, I never looked back.
My two Dodge trucks with combined miles of over 500K I have been left on the road side twice. Once was questionably my fault because I knew before I left that I had a bearing going out, I "tried to make it". And yea, reliability means a LOT to me!
My work, I am deeply involved in agriculture, and you see Toyotas maybe 2-5% of the time. They aren't up to snuff and most know it. For a city cruiser they are OK. Put them to work? Nope.
My two Dodge trucks with combined miles of over 500K I have been left on the road side twice. Once was questionably my fault because I knew before I left that I had a bearing going out, I "tried to make it". And yea, reliability means a LOT to me!
My work, I am deeply involved in agriculture, and you see Toyotas maybe 2-5% of the time. They aren't up to snuff and most know it. For a city cruiser they are OK. Put them to work? Nope.
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03-09-2013 | 08:46 PM
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You're going to honestly say that a line worker should make as much as a degreed engineer? Here is a prime example of the corruption that was job bank...family friends of mine have worked for GM their entire careers at GM the wife is a senior engineer, w/ a Mech Eng PHD from MSU, in the Cadi division and the husband is a maintance worker just a high school grad. When Fisher Body was closed he was part of a skelton crew assigned to the facotry until it was torn down, and he used to brag that he was making more money per year than his wife and he didnt even have to go into work, and when he did go into work they would play poker and drink. There is no justification that can be provided where that makes moral and fiscal sense, dipchits like him are what ruined GM.
If it matters, I'm a "degreed" engineer, with an MBA, working at GM. I'm sure a few UAW guys w/ overtime match my salary, which is crap. However, that money gets back into the US economy. The auto industry is a passion of mine, and my job. Therefore when you peel back the onion more like I have, you find a lot of the history of what has happened. Gets under your skin to see people with no clue go off like experts all the time.
