Glad everyone is OK, as these things hit the boards and start to unfold in real time i find myself saying a little prayer to hear everyone is alright.

Sounds like there is plenty of footage yet to come in.

Yeah, we're all a bunch of clueless idiots even though pics and videos are all over the internet. Get with the times.:whistle:

(comment directed at those saying to stfu because unless we were there we don't know anything)

what happened to the pics of the boat on its side?? why did it get taken down?

Looks like the small v hull boat going the opposite way forced an alteration in the pack's line. I was in rental just ahead of that point. There were more than a few boats, where I was, in the course. The event staff was doing a great job of attempting to clear things out. Glad everyone is okay. Lots of boats were running beautiful. Looking forward to seeing the blue Skater today. Rumor here is that it was over 200 in practice earlier.

It's no problem at all. I am sure JT turned around, and many others.
Just from what I saw in the video, no one lifted off the throttle. They just seemed to go around like they would in the races and let the safety crews deal with it.
I for one would have lifted much earlier. Just my 2 cents.
Just glad all the people are ok.

This event looks more like a race to me. More safety needs to be involved.

i was wrong

Glad there ok! Think if your beside or a little behind this accident with everybody coming up behind you wfo, do you want to chop the sticks or turn hard,Ive had people infront of me that never looked back.I was surprised that the helo didnt turn around and sit over top of them so someone wouldnt run over them.

Rob

I missed the photo sequence...bummer...

A wise man (BenPerfected) once said to me "if you find yourself coming into a turn harder or faster then JT . . . . . you should be scared" :D

I heard a Cig went rolled over this morning.

Yup, glad everyone was OK, but WTF

I have looked at the last 2 seconds of this specific video 3 times. Looks like a different boat had some difficulty with his bow coming up at speed. If you have this shot, lets check it out. Anyone see what I seem to be seeing?

skaterdave,do you feel better now that you opened your mouth and said something stupid once again,how much seat time do you have in a professional race boat,my guess is NONE,im sure john arruda does not need lessons from you.:7160:

At the end of the video there are at least six boats that came back in that direction, and probably came back to help. The guys that flew by in the video probably came off plane and turned around to help. This takes more than a couple of seconds to do in reality. If your doing 80-100+++ going forward how long would it take anyone to come off plane, do a 180 and come around to help??? I think there was plenty of help available as quickly as humanly possible (short of the particular boat having safety divers available in a helicopter, which normal people don't have).

oh well

Saw the video today from the helicopter.

You know Mr Arruda wasn't in the Semper boat in KW, right? :poopoo::eekdrop:

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...1&d=1367087803
http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...1&d=1367087789

corrected that

SKATERDAVE,you say i dont believe in common sence or facts,really,fact is you post things that are totally incorrect and factless,where is the common sence in that?

Did the choppers have rescue divers Or camera people? I see alot of comments on why didn't the choppers help. Where they equipped to do so ?

not taking sides here... but, you can't just, "stop" when running at-speed, unless you do it the way the DCB did!. the lake is narrow and would take some consideration as to on-coming boats to turn around, at that point of the run, safely. it looked like quite a few boats circled back.

not necessarily true... i hit a set of "unexpected" ship tanker rollers while cruising in fairly calm water at 145 MPH in my 36 Skater. in order to make it thru something like that, without incident, you need several things to happen, prior, during, and at landing -- prior trim set properly... throttle properly.... keep the wheel/nose of the boat pointed in the right direction, and at the proper level --- and know what to do when you're in the air between re-entries.

careful with your postings..... i will agree that cats run faster, which only makes sense that when an unexpected incident occurs, the danger and risk levels can be much higher. as the boyscouts say, "always be prepared". haha......

*PS: One of the guys i was running with was in a 43' cat. he was not set-up and ready, nor reacted properly and stuffed the boat fairly bad. again, everyone was ok. but, the point is, i'd seen this guy do the same thing in his prior 36' cat --- he was given a warning the first time (in the 36) and didn't take the warning to heart, and it happened again. IMO, i wonder why he did not get educated (via tres, JT, etc...).

sorry for the wordy post!

+1

M35
 

What a horrible accident. I'm so glad those two men are ok... Just when I think back just a few days earlier, I was standing right next to that Silver M35 at the LHC boat show, while it was on display, and also 30mins before the accident, I was staring right at that boat as it was parading through the channel at DS. Wow, it gives me the chills just thinking about it. So happy the guys are ok. After seeing the boat in the air like that, so happy they survived that.

Ya know, during races they wear helmets and most of the race boats are SLOWER than the poker run boats. And the helmets are orange so hopefully somebody can see you bobbing in the water. Just a passing thought.

Shutting down in the middle of a run like that is just asking to get hit from behind, IMO. We are a diverse crowd when it comes to boating, and everyone has to make the decision they feel is right at the time...

I'm not speculating, blaming or armchair quarterbacking. But a wrecked cat, a wrecked vee, and a lost leg. Not a bad weekend boating. Score one for public perception of the sport.

And a child run over after falling from a pontoon and killed that same week.

I Guess if your not the one that lost a leg...

Post them up or STFU! :lolhit:

Ya' forgot to say please!

Please! :helmet:

Completely Inappropriate and Classless

+1

also only one of those things happened at D.S. which is bad enough, the other incidents took place at Lake Havasu.

I never claimed to be appropriate or have class... The point I was trying to make was that several incidents happened in the same vicinty. Whether they were part of DS or not is irreleveant to public perception. Public perception is releveant when trying to obtain sponorship, community involvment and permits to put on an event. I have volunteered a lot of my time and at my own expense to provide medical and safety services at races and poker runs. I like fast boats, I own a somewhat fast boat and I am working at putting together a race boat. I would like an oppertunity to enjoy the sport.

We were right next to the boat taking the video and seen it unfold. Not knowing if there was any divers in the choppers and putting ourselves in danger getting across the path of more on coming boats we stayed put. I did see 1 chopper sit down on the bluff 150' above the water and there looked to be 2 or maybe 3 spectator boats on that side if the lake, there was one patrol boat on our side that did make there way to the other side to lend assistants but it was at least 8 to 10 minutes before any resuce boats showed. All of us were waving our arms at on coming poker run boats as well as spectator boats to slow down, at this piont I was very surprized as the choppers didn't radio back and stop the run as the second wave came blowing by. I'm a little set back as to the lack of rescue that was availabe for such an event of this size. I'm just glad all survived.

Wow, glad all are ok!

The amount of rescue that you mention is a catch 22 situation. First is is a poker run not a race. Second, to have official rescue and medical/dive coverage opens the promoter to an INCREDIBLE amount of liabilty unfortunately. The best work around in a poker run type situation is to have medically trained personel with their own gear hitch a ride on patrol boats.

Hey Mike, Thank you.
But no need to justify his off the topic remarks about me. Its obviously something personal.
All my comments where about safety concerns of what was posed in a video I viewed. I agree I do not have the whole story or the picture. My goal is to preserve our sport, thats it.
On another note: If Skater Dave wants to challenge to me and see who has the most high perf boat experience, I would welcome it.